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GOP Irritation At Bush Was Long Brewing
Washington Post ^ | Friday, March 17, 2006 | Jim VandeHei

Posted on 03/16/2006 11:56:08 PM PST by EternalVigilance

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To: EternalVigilance
You admitting to being baited into admitting that your initial arguments against CONTEXT were foolish?

Like I said, a professional liar/spinner accomplished enough to make Lanny Davis envious.

321 posted on 03/17/2006 9:34:23 PM PST by Howlin ("It doesn't have a policy. It doesn't need to have a policy. What's the point of a Democratic policy)
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To: Howlin; EternalVigilance
Let's take EV's WHOLE POST, in context:

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"To: OPS4 No, he's certainly not perfect. He'd be closer to it if he didn't believe that having tens of millions of illegals in this country was a good thing...a necessary thing, in fact.

"We hear claims that immigrants are somehow bad for the economy -- even though this economy could not function without them." - George W. Bush

State of the Union

256 posted on 03/17/2006 10:54:45 PM CST by EternalVigilance ("After all I've done for you people!!!" -John McCain) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 249 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

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You might not that I have put in BOLD type, EV's editorial descriptive word "illegal", when in fact the president was speaking about "immigrants".

A distinction, not lost on a demogague, however, one that is important.

322 posted on 03/17/2006 9:34:38 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Wombat101
But he is a darling of the "true Conservatives", and owes his career to them, so he stays.

While I agree with most of your negative assessment of Senator McCain, that sentence is a real headscratcher. Rare is the conservative that even supports him, much less considers him a 'darling'.

323 posted on 03/17/2006 9:36:25 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("After all I've done for you people!!!" -John McCain)
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To: A Citizen Reporter; EternalVigilance



BTTT

Caught him LYING again.


How utterly pathetic and so similar to democrats who trash President Bush.


324 posted on 03/17/2006 9:36:31 PM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
For some people on FR, immigrant=illegal. There is no difference in their mind since they don't want any immigration.

If you read the SOTU address live thread, you'll see that the usual suspects were claiming "Bush said Illegals" then and obviously that lie is still being propagated.

325 posted on 03/17/2006 9:37:57 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Real Leaders Base Their Decisions on Their Convictions. Wannabes Base Decisions on the Latest Poll.)
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To: Howlin
Like I said, a professional liar/spinner accomplished enough to make Lanny Davis envious.

You're getting so warm and fuzzy these days, Howlin.

326 posted on 03/17/2006 9:37:57 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("After all I've done for you people!!!" -John McCain)
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To: onyx
Caught him LYING again.

Hardly.

327 posted on 03/17/2006 9:38:40 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("After all I've done for you people!!!" -John McCain)
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To: A Citizen Reporter; EternalVigilance; Luis Gonzales
It's obvious that use of the words "in context" mean one things to us (truthful) and another thing (however I might need to spin it to further my agenda) entirely to some on these threads.

If I'm not mistaken, we had this whole "in context" discussion when Keyes did the famous "Mary Cheney" interview; I don't think he was all that persuasive then either.

Unless I'm mistaken, there was a tremendous amoung of wailing about "being taken OUT of context."

Go figure, huh?

328 posted on 03/17/2006 9:39:33 PM PST by Howlin ("It doesn't have a policy. It doesn't need to have a policy. What's the point of a Democratic policy)
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To: onyx

Either that hit a nerve or vulgarity is your native state.


329 posted on 03/17/2006 9:40:08 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: EternalVigilance
UNDENIABLY.

It's in

HUGE FONT.


330 posted on 03/17/2006 9:40:40 PM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Fact: Conservatives control the super-delagates in each and every republican primary, from Presidential elections right down to dog catcher.

Fact: Conservatives control the money within the Republican party.

Fact: No republican candidate running for elective office in this country at the FEDERAL level can count on support or campaign cash WITHOUT passing Conservative muster.

Conclusion: John McCain has been a Senator for over 20 years, ipso facto, he is beloved of the Conservatives.

Had he not been, we would not be speaking his name at this moment.


331 posted on 03/17/2006 9:41:15 PM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: COEXERJ145
For some people on FR, immigrant=illegal.

The quislings, for example, who purposely conflate the two. But then you know that.

332 posted on 03/17/2006 9:42:18 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: Pelham



Don;t flatter yourself by grossly exaggerating your importance...lol.

Nobody needs a scorecard to see who's trashing President Bush.


Bottoms up.


333 posted on 03/17/2006 9:42:39 PM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: Torie

Torie, closing the border and enforcing our laws would not be disastrous to the economy...far from it. It is straining budgets to the limits for health care, education, law enforcement and everything else.

And legal immigration has been at historically very high levels for the last couple of decades.

There should be no debate about illegal immigration. It is ILLEGAL.

We should be having a national debate about what is an acceptable level of LEGAL immigration.


334 posted on 03/17/2006 9:43:31 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("After all I've done for you people!!!" -John McCain)
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To: Howlin
I really don't want to relive all of the threads and times that we were told that Keyes didn't really say what he said. It really was a waste of time.

I mean the man couldn't even hang on to a show on MSNBC, much less the voters of Illinois. But he did employ some of the best spinners I've ever seen.

Amazing isn't it, that some of these same spinners are now advising this President that he should fire all of his staff, and hire them? LOL!

335 posted on 03/17/2006 9:45:55 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Wombat101
Oh, I wouldn't give McCain credit for being a loyalist at all

What we have here, is a failure to com-mun-i-cate!

My remark about going down the line as a strong loyalist of the president was NOT a reference to McCain but to those HERE who have undiminished enthusiasm for W.

I completely agree with you. In fact, it is ironic that someone as fallen away from the Bush bandwagon as me, MOST despises McCain for his six years of trying to subvert the president while still staying just near enough to inherit his mantle. To bad about the pathetic mantle. (Supporters leaving Bush now, btw, is not "disloyalty," IMO. It is like a cabinet member who has served well and is now moving on.)

336 posted on 03/17/2006 9:49:02 PM PST by LK44-40
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To: A Citizen Reporter; Miss Marple; onyx
Amazing isn't it, that some of these same spinners are now advising this President that he should fire all of his staff, and hire them? LOL!

ROFLMAO! Just really LOL here........

MM, don't miss this one!

337 posted on 03/17/2006 9:49:10 PM PST by Howlin ("It doesn't have a policy. It doesn't need to have a policy. What's the point of a Democratic policy)
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To: EternalVigilance
closing the border and enforcing our laws would not be disastrous to the economy

What happens if you deport every illegal immigrant who currently works in this country?

338 posted on 03/17/2006 9:49:29 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: EternalVigilance
"And legal immigration has been at historically very high levels for the last couple of decades."

I'd like to see you back that up with some numbers contrasting with the immigration levels of the 1850-1880's in proportion to the population.

339 posted on 03/17/2006 9:49:32 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Wombat101
Fact: Conservatives control the super-delagates in each and every republican primary, from Presidential elections right down to dog catcher.

You obviously have little understanding of how the process works. 'Super-delegates' or any kind of 'delegates' have nothing to do with how McCain won or holds his Senate seat.

Fact: Conservatives control the money within the Republican party.

Not really.

Fact: No republican candidate running for elective office in this country at the FEDERAL level can count on support or campaign cash WITHOUT passing Conservative muster.

Baloney.

Conclusion: John McCain has been a Senator for over 20 years, ipso facto, he is beloved of the Conservatives. Had he not been, we would not be speaking his name at this moment.

Considering the weak of your premises, it should surprise no one that your conclusion is so far from the mark.

340 posted on 03/17/2006 9:49:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("After all I've done for you people!!!" -John McCain)
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