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Legacy of Irish Americans runs deeper than a pint of green beer
Capital Times ^ | 3-16-06 | Michael James

Posted on 03/16/2006 4:40:06 PM PST by SJackson

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1 posted on 03/16/2006 4:40:10 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
St. Patrick's Day should be about overcoming amnesia, not perpetuating it by getting drunk.

I'll drink to that! - Tom

2 posted on 03/16/2006 4:45:52 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: SJackson

Not all Irish are Catholic potato famine victims.

Earliest large Irish migration was 1718 with five shi[s from Londonderry to Boston. These were Protestants, most we now label scots-irish.

Many others came in the decades BEFORE 1840s, playing a huge role in the Revolution and settlements moving west.

Mountain men, Texas, etc.


3 posted on 03/16/2006 4:50:22 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: SJackson; maica
Great Potato Famine of the 1800s

I call it the potato starvation since Ireland was a net exporter of food, grain and meat, the whole time. They just weren't allowed to eat any of the (mostly absentee) landlord's produce. They could only eat what they could grow on their ever less fertile soil. I did not even know this fact until I was about 50, though my father was a student of Irish history. He gave me a book to read, Paddy's Lament, written seemingly without bias, that I recommend to anyone who would like to learn more about this era.

4 posted on 03/16/2006 4:51:21 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: SJackson

The potato blight, and the famine-disaster, was not caused by the English, but rather was a natural consequence of Catholic religious practices, high birth rates, and dependence on a single crop in high densities to support the high population increase. The Brits did more to aleviate the famine than they had ever done before, importing and distributing free maize (indian corn) in an effort to help.

It was beyond their powers to do more. The Irish, once again, left their island in large numbers to the great benefit of the world.

The Irish had left before, to transmit ancient culture through the Irish Monastaries. The Irish emigrants had given us President Jackson before the Famine, and Presidents Kennedy and Reagan afterwards.


5 posted on 03/16/2006 4:52:12 PM PST by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practice politics that way.)
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To: truth_seeker
Earliest large Irish migration was 1718 with five shi[s from Londonderry to Boston. These were Protestants, most we now label scots-irish.

Were/are they not the true rednecks, after the collar they wore?

6 posted on 03/16/2006 4:53:57 PM PST by SJackson (There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
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How about Van Morrison and James Joyce?


7 posted on 03/16/2006 4:58:23 PM PST by a_different_conservative
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To: Freee-dame

Heh, the whole title of that book is "Paddy's Lament, Ireland 1846-1847: Prelude to Hatred". I'm sure there's no bias in that...


8 posted on 03/16/2006 4:59:36 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: truth_seeker

True, came some of my ancestors came to Texas in the 1850's, Name of McLennon. Claimed to be Scots-Irish and Baptist by faith.
barbraann


9 posted on 03/16/2006 5:02:22 PM PST by barb-tex (Why replace the IRS with anything?)
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To: SJackson
St. Patrick's day is just a stop along the way of the modern American tradition of celebration. Ok, we start with New Year's Eve, have a party, and look down the road of an endless winter. Along comes Mardi Gras and Lent and on Shrove Tuesday we indulge on Polish Paczki,as is the custom in the Midwest.
Then about half way through Lent, in mid March, we want to have some more fun, ergo, St Patrick's day. This year we can have all the fun we want, if you are Catholic, because we can eat Corned Beef on Friday during Lent because the Arch Bishop in my Diocese said it was OK.
Next stop on the Fun Meter is "Cinco de Mayo". Let's just Celebrate having Fun.
10 posted on 03/16/2006 5:16:31 PM PST by joem15
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To: SJackson

This Tom Hayden is the same one who ran Students for a Democratic Society. Not exactly an authority.


11 posted on 03/16/2006 5:16:39 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: SJackson

Social activist Tom Hayden?? I think "radical socialist" would be a more accurate description.

That being said, I will still have a drink or two to celebrate the Celtic soul that flourishes under my skin.

I will listen to the Bothy Band shred the wind with Rip the Calico and The Holy Land. I'll have another bit of Bushmills and relish the contrapuntal melodies of Planxty playing The Good Ship Kangaroo and The Blacksmith's Daughter.

If, by that time, I have yet to shed a single tear of melancholy remembrance, I'll sip a little more of the morning dew and listen to Paul Brady sing The Lakes of Pontchartrain.

I will not be drunk but I will have opened a door to see more clearly the joy and the struggle of those who lost all hope in their native land and came to America to renew their spirit and regain love's hold on their heart and soul.


12 posted on 03/16/2006 5:28:09 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: truth_seeker

My Grandmother arrived in America from Londonderry during the early 1920's and for that I am greatful! She was a seamstress and came here alone to meet relatives in Philadelphia. Bella was quite a woman! She met my grandfather, a Scotsman from Johnston and they married here in NYC. I consider myself an Irish Lass!


13 posted on 03/16/2006 5:36:18 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (New Jersey gets the corrupt government it deserves!)
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To: nutmeg

read later


14 posted on 03/16/2006 5:36:56 PM PST by nutmeg (NEVER trust democRATs with our national security)
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To: concentric circles

Beautiful, beautiful thoughts, like your beautiful, beautiful home page.


15 posted on 03/16/2006 5:40:25 PM PST by Albion Wilde (The best service a retired general can give is to...mothball his opinions. – Omar Bradley)
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To: SJackson
If Hayden had his way it would be a celebration of the exploitation of the masses by the ruthless capitalist class, yada yada... The Potato Famine was nothing of the sort. It was a horrible combination of circumstances that is perfectly described by "perfect storm."

It was a monoculture crop blight that left an overpopulated island vulnerable to mass starvation, combined with a rise in food prices on the Continent due to crop failures elsewhere, intense political hostility (politics is involved in nearly all famines), poor communications, and the fact that no government had, up to that point, paid any attention to such 20th-century niceties such as disaster relief.

There are popular stories of crops being exported while Irish starved, and so they were, primarily to purchase food relief. The efforts to construct relief programs out of nothing are heartbreaking to read, with all the classic mistakes made by amateurs where even professionals would have failed.

One source for information on this that is somewhat less politically tainted than the ones Hayden recommends is The Great Hunger, Cecil Woodham-Smith's chronicle of the disaster. It isn't sometimes immediately apparent that these events took place in one of the most revolutionary periods in European history, which certainly helps to account for the political confusion - add that to centuries of animosity between English and Irish and the magnitude of the thing begins to make a little more sense.

16 posted on 03/16/2006 5:43:44 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Donald Meaker

Complete bullsh*t, you anti-catholic bigot.


17 posted on 03/16/2006 5:59:03 PM PST by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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To: SJackson; Happygal; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; Fergal; Cian; ..

Ireland ping.


18 posted on 03/16/2006 6:08:09 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: cyborg

HEHE, I think he must work for UNFPA!!


19 posted on 03/16/2006 6:09:09 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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HEH


20 posted on 03/16/2006 6:11:31 PM PST by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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