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Senators near compromise on immigration reform (HERE IT COMES)
REUTERS ^ | 16 March 2006 | Donna Smith

Posted on 03/16/2006 1:51:16 PM PST by VU4G10

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Under pressure to produce broad immigration reform legislation by the end of the month, a U.S. Senate panel on Thursday neared agreement on a proposal that would give some of the 12 million illegal aliens living in the country an opportunity to earn citizenship.

Although no vote will be held until after a weeklong congressional recess, the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday appeared ready to back a proposal by panel member Sen. Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, who has worked on the issue with his Republican colleague John McCain of Arizona.

The panel, which is working on comprehensive immigration and border security legislation, will also consider a related proposal that would allow foreigners to enter the United States as legal guest workers and then have a chance to earn permanent status.

Republicans are divided over immigration policy, and the Judiciary Committee plan is likely to spark a firestorm from conservatives who oppose regularizing the status of illegal immigrants, saying they would be rewarded after breaking U.S. immigration law.

But backers cite both economic and security reasons. They say that providing a path to permanent residency and eventual citizenship will avoid creating a permanent underclass of workers and help bring illegals aliens out of the shadows.

Sen. Charles Grassley, an Iowa Republican who opposes giving permanent status to illegals, said after the meeting that the panel would probably vote for the Kennedy plan.

"The votes are there," Grassley said.

NO AMNESTY

Kennedy told the committee the proposal was not an amnesty. People seeking legal status would have to pay a $2,000 fine, apply for a six-year temporary status, have a job, pay taxes, learn English and show an understanding of U.S. government.

They would not get permanent status faster than the three million foreigners awaiting legal entry, he said.

"There is no moving to the front of the line, there is no free ticket," Kennedy said. "This is not amnesty."

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, quipped that the requirements "probably exclude half of my family."

The panel also reached tentative agreement on a guest worker program sought by President George W. Bush has said he wants. A compromise struck between Kennedy and Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, would give future temporary workers an opportunity to seek permanent status after four years.

U.S. business groups favor creating a temporary worker program to help fill jobs that Americans either cannot or will not do. Both business and labor groups also favor giving current undocumented workers a way to legalize their status.

Committee members said details would be worked out during the recess.

The panel is working against a deadline set by Majority Leader Bill Frist. The Tennessee Republican, and possible contender in the 2008 presidential race, wants the Senate to take up a bill addressing only enforcement and border security. He threatened to do that on March 27 if the Judiciary Committee failed to reach agreement on comprehensive legislation.

Whether Congress will finalize immigration legislation before the November congressional elections is unclear. Both Democrats and Republicans are likely to use the issue to gain advantage.

The House of Representatives has voted for tough border security and enforcement legislation with no guest worker program. The two sides would have to work out their differences before a bill could be sent to Bush for his signature.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
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To: Galveston Grl
Surely you jest...

No, I don't.

The GOP has declared itself officially tone-deaf to a large segment of those who voted for them.

They must think there is no price to pay for that.

They are wrong.

281 posted on 03/16/2006 8:01:03 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: RightWhale

The "discussion" was with the lobbyists and the White House. Big leagues, hard ball.


282 posted on 03/16/2006 8:05:51 PM PST by La Enchiladita (United we stand, divided we fall.)
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To: onyx
"To whom? To the democrats who will vote almost unanimously for it?"

So, whats the alternative, we just keep bending over to these sluts?

I am very very sure that should my PA senators, Santorum and or spector vote for anything that vaguely resembles amnesty, Not only will I vote for someone else,but I will work for and give to one of their opponents.

Should it go to the House, the same principle will apply to Gerlach.

It is understood that Demrat control of our institutions is a horrible alternative, but the continued abuse of power by these clowns must be shown to the perpetrators to have consequences.

They are all traitors, betraying their country's sovereignty for money and power.
283 posted on 03/16/2006 8:11:42 PM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: HonestConservative
We need to contact each of our Senators and let them know

Freeped and bumped.

284 posted on 03/16/2006 8:15:19 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: chris1
"What about those who don't apply? Will they get deported?" Sure. The Easter Bunny will take care of that.
285 posted on 03/16/2006 8:17:30 PM PST by isrul
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To: VU4G10
Sen. Specter (R-PA) then suggested the committee meet again tomorrow or Monday 27th with the hope of reaching agreement on major issues and changing the majority leader's mind about bringing up an enforcement-only bill on the floor.

Before Frist closed the Senate tonight, he introduced S.2454 - Border Control. He also introduced a cloture motion on the bill. He indicated that the cloture vote will happen on Tuesday Morning, March 28th, unless an agreement is reached to reschedule.

286 posted on 03/16/2006 8:17:39 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: TheLion
"These people don't have a clue about how the public thinks about this issue." Sure they do. They just don't care. You're not a special interest contributer.
287 posted on 03/16/2006 8:24:16 PM PST by isrul
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To: HonestConservative

The alternative as I see it? I always vote for the most conservative candidate in the primaries and for the GOP nominee in the election.

I try to make my opinions known to my elected officials and support your post 100% regarding all of us contacting our senators.



288 posted on 03/16/2006 8:24:31 PM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: All

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2004jan04.html

Myths and lies of illegal immigration

1. It is NOT racist to call these people "illegal aliens" In fact, "illegal aliens" is the only term used in federal laws and regulations to describe criminals (and they ARE criminals) who come into our country illegally. They are not illegal immigrants, not undocumented immigrants, not migrant workers, and not day laborers - they're ILLEGAL ALIENS.

2. Mexico is NOT a poor country. It has the fifth richest economy in the world, and by sending its teeming masses to our country, that status keeps on rising. Mexico has more resources per square mile than the U.S. and plenty of money to take care of its own people. Why should the taxpayers of this country subsidize Mexico's corruption?

3. Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. Lou Dobbs recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work.

4. Illegal aliens are NOT doing work Americans won't do. What jobs won't Americans do? In most states, Americans still clean their own houses, do their own landscaping, clean hotel rooms, work in restaurants and fast food places, paint houses, DO CONSTRUCTION WORK, work in airports, etc. - just like we have the past 200 years before "our" government allowed these people to invade our country. There are 18 million Americans who cannot find a job, so illegal aliens who are coming here to work do so at peril to American workers.

5. Illegal aliens absolutely do not contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren't contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents). The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. Some bargain, eh?

6. The economy does NOT depend on illegal aliens. Sure, greedy CEOs (making $50 to $150 MILLION a year) and business owners depend on illegal aliens, but due to #3, #4 and #5 above, the only thing illegal aliens are contributing to is the collapse of our economy and making the rich richer.

7. Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods and services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa's "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that 'since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing /storage costs, grocers' profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter ... hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims.

8. Consumers are NOT benefiting from lower labor costs. Again, it's CEOs and business owners who benefit from taxpayer subsidies for their illegal alien workers. The Big Three automakers say they moved so many jobs to Mexico because their labor costs are 80 percent less than in America. Anybody notice the price of new cars spiraling downward under NAFTA?


289 posted on 03/16/2006 8:27:35 PM PST by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: isrul

AGREED


290 posted on 03/16/2006 8:28:17 PM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: flutters

Question, if this scam goes through and people don't sign up and are caught here illegally, what happens?


291 posted on 03/16/2006 8:38:45 PM PST by chris1
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To: VU4G10

Under pressure to produce broad immigration reform legislation by the end of the month, a U.S. Senate panel on Thursday neared agreement on a proposal that would give some of the 12 million illegal aliens living in the country an opportunity to earn citizenship.




B.O.H.I.C.A.


292 posted on 03/16/2006 8:46:22 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam is a Cult of Death that has been infiltrated by a few non-violent believers.)
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To: VU4G10

If this passes and is signed into law, the Repulocrats just sold out millions of Americans. They can kiss my votes and my a$$ goodbye.


293 posted on 03/16/2006 8:47:37 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Islam is a Cult of Death that has been infiltrated by a few non-violent believers.)
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To: chris1
Question, if this scam goes through and people don't sign up and are caught here illegally, what happens?

They'll call them "illegitimate undocumented immigrants" and they will be eligible for 401K plans???

294 posted on 03/16/2006 8:49:29 PM PST by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: All

I don't quite see what's wrong with the fine concept. Fine them 2000 dollars. That's punishment for breaking the law and entering the country. What was preferred? A steeper fine? They have a job and they got caught and paid their fine. Then they have to endure the same wait for citizenship as any other applicant.

Why is this bad? Is a more severe punishment preferred? If you deport and fine nothing, that does not inflict any punishment for breaking the law. They just take all their savings with them. A fine does. Isn't this better than deportation? Do you want a higher fine? How much?


295 posted on 03/16/2006 8:53:22 PM PST by Owen
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To: HiJinx

Those dang Senators are't serious. What noise other then for amnesty have we heard out of them so far?

Maybe if we bark loud enough, they'll all go moo.

Or maybe they're not even as smart as cows.

What the heck is it going to take for our politicians to realize that you can't have your socialist state and free borders too?

What a road to disaster. Either one by itself.



296 posted on 03/16/2006 9:01:30 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: VU4G10

Id like to ask you about The Penis mightier, Trebek.


297 posted on 03/16/2006 9:13:40 PM PST by ketelone
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To: Sam Clements
This must be a great day for the "chicken little" crowd.Of course, they have everything they have always want, something to be against. Damn the consequences , arrest every illegal, man, woman, kids, and pets and throw them out.Forget anything they have built, their record in this country, military service, doesn`t matter, out they go. That`s the ticket...for about ten seconds and then the first court that gets a case will toss it and we will have wasted another 4 years trying to solve the problem.
Try this, build the wall, double the Border Patrol, get caught trying to enter illegally and no citizenship ever. A guest worker program that is enforced and paid for by those that want to become citizens.
By and large that`s what Bush and the Senate are working on and I`m all for it.
298 posted on 03/16/2006 9:21:25 PM PST by bybybill (If the Rats win, we are doomed)
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To: trubluolyguy
So Bush has sold out the country? Did Reagan save the country with his immigration policy?( which didn`t work) What is your plan?
299 posted on 03/16/2006 9:25:40 PM PST by bybybill (If the Rats win, we are doomed)
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To: Richard Axtell

I think a small scale trial of this plan should be tried first to see how it does.

I think is would only be fitting is Massachusetts would be the first state to adopt this.


300 posted on 03/16/2006 9:51:58 PM PST by staytrue
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