Posted on 03/15/2006 5:16:58 PM PST by Spiff
McCain CHALLENGES PETER GADIEL TO DEBATE HIM IN ARIZONA . GADIEL ACCEPTS CHALLENGE
ENCOUNTER WITH JOHN McCAIN:
At the end of a week of lobbying, we accidentally met Sen. John McCain just outside the Russell Senate Office Building . Joan, Bruce and I approached him identified ourselves as 9/11 family members. We told him we opposed his amnesty bill and of our promise to hold accountable members of Congress who vote for it for the acts of violence that result. The following conversation resulted:
McCain looked at Joan and said : You're kidding, aren't you?
Joan Molinaro : No, we're not kidding.
At this, McCain started screaming and pointed his finger in our faces: After all I've done for you people! I welcome you to come to my state. I'll debate the issue with you. The people of Arizona trust me I got 77% of the vote last year. Who do you think they'll believe?
Peter Gadiel : Yeah sure. You won that race by getting 85 % of your money from out of state.
McCain : It's people like you who make my job so hard. I got 77% of the vote ."
Gadiel: "Oh sure, but you needed What kind of confidence is that?"
By this time, Joan and Peter were turning their backs to McCain, and he started to come after them. But Bruce saw a guard from the Russell Building come out, take McCain by the arm and pull him inside the building.
9/11 FSA accepts Senator McCain's challenge to debate him on the issue of illegal immigration.
9/11 FSA members Joan Molinaro, Bruce De Cell, Grace Godshalk and Peter Gadiel lobbied the Senate during the week of February 27 to March 3. Part of the time we were accompanied by Bill Buchanan, Bob Shoemaker, Helen Pfalsgraf and Rick Rio of Virginia 's very effective immigration reform group, ANCIR. Our purpose was to oppose bills that would reward illegal aliens by granting them amnesty and the right to become citizens of the United States.
The worst amnesty bills are S. 1033 sponsored by Sens. McCain and Kennedy, and the as yet unnumbered bill sponsored by Sen. Arlen Specter.
We had a lengthy appointment with one Senator and met briefly with a second. In addition, we had meetings with staff members representing twelve other Senators.
We were able to attend a portion of the Senate Judiciary Committee's discussion of illegal immigration in the markup session of Thursday March 2. During this meeting Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) disgraced himself by showing contempt for of all those who have been killed or injured by illegal aliens. Graham said he plays golf, that most of the courses he plays on use illegal alien labor, and that he, like many other Americans is happy to benefit from that cheap labor. Joan, Bruce and I were appalled that a United States Senator would admit that he thinks lower greens fees are more important than the lives of those he claims to represent. During the hearing, Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis) issued a press release endorsing the McCain-Kennedy amnesty.
The 9/11 FSA position is this: if an amnesty passes, among the 11,000,000 to 20,000,000 recipients of amnesty there will inevitably be violent felons and terrorists. (For example, one of the participants in the 1993 WTC bombing had received amnesty in 1986. Other recipients of the 86 amnesty have been involved in crimes such as the killings outside CIA headquarters.) We told the staffs of Feingold, Graham and other amnesty supporters that if an amnesty bill is passed, when violent criminal or terrorist acts are committed by those receiving amnesty, 9/11 FSA will make sure that the people in their states know that Graham, Feingold, et al, made those crimes possible by allowing the perpetrators to stay in the USA.
This blunt approach has been made necessary by the failure of many members of the Senate to overcome their reliance on contributions made by the members of the US Chamber of Commerce, National Association of Manufacturers and other employers of illegals; their failure to ignore the expensive lobbying campaigns of LaRaza, the ACLU, the United Methodist Church, George Soros, and so on.
Since the 9/11 attacks, 9/11 FSA has several times asked for meetings with representatives of the Bush Administration. These requests were ignored. Then, in December we were called by a Bush official who asked us to meet with her and did so in January. This was very useful and we were invited to a second meeting, this time with a person holding a senior position in the Administration. This occurred immediately after our outdoor visit with Sen. McCain, and was much friendlier.
We have no delusions that 9/11 FSA is now a Washington powerhouse, but we think that we have achieved a minor degree of influence. The explosive response of McCain and the sudden interest on the part of Administration officials may be indications of our voice being heard and listened to by elected officials and policy makers.
Maybe if we quietly leave baskets of strawberries on his doorstep, he'll calm down. Can you imagine this guy as president?
"McInsane. He and Dean... Brothers across the aisle."
KP, you may be closer to the truth than even you believe.
When I see or read about the ultra egotistic bastards on the left and our Rhino side come unglued, I have felt that there is a DNA spiral that is common in these folks.
McAinal as the Manchurian Presidential Candidate in 2008 is very scary.
Calm down? Hell, I want to provoke him into a public, frothing rage. Get it on camera and you can stick a fork in him because he's done.
I like your idea though. I would add some Queen of Diamonds playing cards. Maybe a matchbook or some other memorabilia from the "Hanoi Hilton" where he received special treatment.
I agree.
"ELECT ME NOW!!
McCain: The GOP's 2008 Ahmadinejad Candidate!
"Immediately hire real AMERICANS!"
Of course, there is always that.
How about giving corporations huge tax breaks if they hire native-born or naturalized citizens, or contracting with subcontractors that are 90% native-born or naturalized? Might be an idea to ponder.
show him for what he is and that will be that."
Like nobody showed Clinton for what he was before he was elected to a second term?
the vast majority(9-11 families) that have been working the TV circuits don't have a clue what they are talking about."
But you do?You know all those people that you can make a blanket statement about "the vast majority of them?
You didn't ask me but here's my take. Their jobs will be quickly filled by all those WAITING IN LINE to enter this country legally.
Here's McEgo in full dress.
"You didn't ask me but here's my take. Their jobs will be quickly filled by all those WAITING IN LINE to enter this country legally."
That's a great point and should definitely be considered.
Will he break down like Howard Dean during the primaries? (We can only hope...)
That is the bottom line, no PC BS.
Support our Minutemen Patriots!
Be Ever Vigilant!
According to Mike Cutler, former INS who testifies before congress, it's more killed every year by illegals than we lost on 9/ll.
Mike Cutler: It is currently estimated that some 30% of the federal inmate population is comprised of convicts who are identified as being "foreign born." When I was assigned to the Unified Intelligence Division of DEA in New York from 1988 to 1992 I compiled statistics concerning the nature of the defendants who were arrested by DEA and the DEA Task Force in New York. It was estimated that some 60% of the defendants arrested in New York City were identified as being "foreign born" while 30% of the defendants arrested nationwide were identified as being "foreign born." Those numbers remained constant for several years afterwards and I believe they would not be much different today.
Additionally, I have heard that some 90% of the arrest warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for aliens. I believe that it would not be hard to show that more than 3,000 murders per year can be attributed to illegal aliens in our country.
And this according to the border patrol: http://www.usborderpatrol.com/borderframe87.htm
snip.... TODAY, we have nearly 11,000 criminals invading our country each and every night and the murder rate from them is over 18 dead each day and nothing is done.
And again, these millions of people flooding our southern border -- 11,000 a night -- are now being supported, and even funded, by al Qaeda and the Mexican drug cartels.
ALSO:
http://www.cairco.org/issues/issues_crime_us.html
In fiscal year 2002, 33.6% of criminals sentenced in federal district courts under Federal Sentencing Guidelines were non-citizens, and 55% of these non-citizens were illegal aliens. This means that illegal aliens accounted for 17.5% of all crimes prosecuted in federal courts, whereas they are less than 6% of the adult population. From 1980 to 1999, the number of illegal aliens in federal and state prisons grew from 9,000 to 68,000. Today, criminal aliens account for about 30% of the inmates in federal prisons and 15-25% in many local jails. Incarceration costs to the taxpayers were estimated by the Justice Department in 2002 to be $891 million for federal prison inmates and $624 million for inmates in state prisons.(snip)
PLEASE also be aware that this 9/11 group is NOT the same as the lefty 9/11 group that McCain buttered up to. Evidently he didn't know the difference. See, http://www.911fsa.org/
snip- Meeting with Administration officials Since the 9/11 attacks, 9/11 FSA has several times asked for meetings with representatives of the Bush Administration. These requests were ignored. Then, in December we were called by a Bush official who asked us to meet with her and did so in January. This was very useful and we were invited to a second meeting, this time with a person holding a senior position in the Administration. This occurred immediately after our outdoor visit with Sen. McCain, and was much friendlier. We have no delusions that 9/11 FSA is now a Washington powerhouse, but we think that we have achieved a minor degree of influence. The explosive response of McCain and the sudden interest on the part of Administration officials may be indications of our voice being heard and listened to by elected officials and policy makers.
We need one of those counters that I've seen on the web that automatically tallies the dead due to the invasion over our southern borders. Something that starts with the approximate number murdered by criminal invaders/illegal aliens and then start the counter from there at the rate of 3,000 to 6,500 per year. Compare it to terrorist attacks against America (around 3,000 killed) and the number of our soldiers killed in the WoT (around 2,300). Hopefully, this would be something that could be posted via an img link or something, that would work in FR and other forums. I'll look into how to do such a thing, but if anyone has any suggestions it would speed things up.
Only because Kemper Marley isn't around to give McCain money in exchange for control of the puppet strings anymore.
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