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Can a Value System Supposedly Primitive Pose a Threat to West? (Whining muzzie barf alert!)
Arab News ^ | 3/14/2006 | Reem Al-Faisal

Posted on 03/15/2006 5:30:19 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque

As the West enters the twilight hours of its civilization it demonstrates a desperate desire to recapture the glories of a past when the world meant the “West” and the only value system was that dictated by Western powers. According to this way of thinking, modern history started at the Renaissance and Western sciences were the sum of all knowledge.

America, of course, is the most glaring example of this Western malaise as manifested by its refusal to abide by international pacts and agreements or by its savage assaults on Afghanistan and Iraq. Also, let us not forget the horror film the world has been forced to watch of torture and abuse of the so-called terrorists in American gulags spread across the planet.

However, Europe also shows signs of stress given the hysteria with which it views the Muslim world. Europe feels both fear and a sort of wounded indignation toward the Muslims. On the one hand it is trying to force the Muslims to abandon Islam as a universal value system claiming it is nothing more than a primitive and archaic religion incapable of dealing with the complex issues of the modern way of life; on the other it feels threatened by this very same culture which it regards beneath its own. One sees and hears an irrational logic in the West today where for some reason it thinks that Islam will overwhelm it and wipe out its own civilization, yet simultaneously it regards it as primitive. So, we get behavior like France deciding that a few hundred Muslim girls wearing their veil to school are a threat to the identity of secular France and might well destroy the French way of life. Then we witness the caricatures in Denmark insulting the Prophet (peace be upon him) and its reproduction in many European newspapers and magazines. There are also books and articles and films and shows made by Westerners depicting Islam as a savage and primitive religion that should be fought and uprooted from this world. If Muslims want to live by their own value system where is the threat in that to the West?

For too long the world has lived with one dominant culture imposing its view on everyone else, where all human experience, be it negative or positive, was seen through Western eyes only. However, recent developments show it is no longer the case. In other parts of the world where people who until recently could never control their own destiny or the fate of their nations a new sense of independence and defiance is evident. Like in Palestine where the people voted into power the Hamas party by an astounding majority.

People might say Israel is not Western; however I say Israel has nothing Jewish about it but its name. Zionism is nothing but an offspring of the Western civilization and since its inception it has been nurtured and protected by its parents, the West. In the days of the Cold War the Soviet Union and America could always agree on one thing and that was the necessity of the continued existence of the Israeli entity, and every other Western power, be it near or far, helped and abetted the crimes of the Zionist nation and still does it to this very day. Israelis themselves see their country as an outpost of Western civilization amid a sea of savages who need to be trained and broken in like wild animals. The tragedy of the Jews is that to survive the European carnage they turned into a copy of what they themselves suffered bitterly from — a racist, colonizer. Or that was the only option given them by Western powers and those Jews who believed in the superiority of their race over the Arabs. However the biggest losers in all this will be the Jews who have always had a safe haven in the Muslim world throughout their long persecution in Europe.

Look back on the short and bloody history of the Israeli nation and ask yourselves who have been the greatest beneficiaries of its creation?

The answer is a few Jews who would never have been allowed to become leaders in their community were it not for the existence of Israel and the great markets of arms in the West. All the rest have lost bitterly. The Palestinians their lands, the Arabs their youth and wealth spent on never-ending wars for the past 50 years and the Jews in Israel who end up living in nothing more than a heavily fortified ghetto. Meanwhile, the rest of the Jews in the world are either held for ransom by Israel and forced to support it blindly through money and effort or held accountable by others for Israel’s criminal behavior. So, in sum, the creation of Israel only benefited those who trade in blood and carnage; they have surely made handsome gains in the past 50 years.

Though we are witnessing the end of a world system which has dominated this planet for over two centuries one should expect a bitter resistance from the West to their slow but inevitable decline. As human beings most of us have difficulty accepting our mortality and many of us never do even to the last minute. The West can’t for the moment come to grips with the fact that they occupy this planet with other individuals who have a different set of values which are as true as theirs. Muslims are not the only ones who feel the intrusive and high-handed behavior of the West. We see examples of this kind of attitude all around the world from Latin America to Africa and Asia.

However the West should be careful for they might be mighty but they are no longer the only kid on the block. The block is getting mighty crowded and we the rest of humanity no longer accept their dictates nor do we regard our civilization as any less.

— Reem Al-Faisal is a Saudi photographer. She is based in Jeddah.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cavedwellers; endofthewest; israel; muslim; primitivevalues; racism; whiners; zionism
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To: Old Sarge

Well said, and spot on, OS.


41 posted on 03/15/2006 7:23:14 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (Borders, Language, Culture™)
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To: conservativeharleyguy

I agree 100%, c.


42 posted on 03/15/2006 7:24:56 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (Borders, Language, Culture™)
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To: Dark Skies

Sure sums up their so-called "umma" nicely, doesn't it?


43 posted on 03/15/2006 7:26:53 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (Borders, Language, Culture™)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

Ping


44 posted on 03/15/2006 7:50:19 AM PST by PubliusMM (Just doin' my best to stay free and secure. God Bless our military personnel.)
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To: Dark Skies
These 22 countries, with all their oil and natural resources, have a combined GDP smaller than that of Netherlands plus Belgium and equal to half of the GDP of California alone.

If we ever manage to get it together and get an alternative fuel source functioning, they're going to have some major problems.

I guess they can always go on the dole. Parasites.

45 posted on 03/15/2006 7:50:45 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Ouderkirk
I've had a stressful week at work so far. I wish she'd pass that s--- to the left!
46 posted on 03/15/2006 8:08:43 AM PST by .cnI redruM ("Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me. - W. Sultan)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
"Look back on the short and bloody history of the Israeli nation and ask yourselves who have been the greatest beneficiaries of its creation?"

Look back on the LONG and bloody history of ISLAM and ask yourselves who have been the greatest beneficiaries of its creation?
47 posted on 03/15/2006 8:09:22 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (Rage is the fuel that powers the islamic machine)
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To: elfman2

Interesting links. I will say that I think Arabic writing is beautiful....


48 posted on 03/15/2006 8:51:27 AM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: Dark Skies
These 22 countries, with all their oil and natural resources, have a combined GDP smaller than that of Netherlands plus Belgium and equal to half of the GDP of California alone.

Yes, but realize that the US is doomed because the UAE didn't get their port deal.......or so I've been told on FR.

49 posted on 03/15/2006 8:54:24 AM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: Decepticon
Yes, but realize that the US is doomed because the UAE didn't get their port deal.......or so I've been told on FR.

You'll never hear that from me. Here's a snippet from an article (link below) that shows what almost happened in an area incredibly well sealed. Why something similar couldn't happen with DPW, I don't know.

A senior Defense Ministry official said the 421 al-Qaida fighters were actually recruited to storm the U.S. and British embassies and take hostages. Several ranking Defense Ministry officials have been jailed in the plot, the official said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.

Interior Minister Bayan Jabr, in an interview with The Associated Press, said the 421 al-Qaida recruits were one bureaucrat's signature away from acceptance into an Iraqi army battalion whose job is to control the gates and main squares in the Green Zone. The plot was discovered three weeks ago.

source: Authorities foil an al-Qaida attack on heavily guarded Green Zone

50 posted on 03/15/2006 9:08:19 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Publius6961

"If all of them stayed home, the rest of the world would be a better place, and there would be no threat whatsoever."

Anyone who's watched them closely over the past 4 1/2 years, won't be holding their breath in anticipation.


51 posted on 03/15/2006 10:03:38 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (Borders, Language, Culture™)
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To: CPOSharky

So true it's prophetic, C.


52 posted on 03/15/2006 10:14:15 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (Borders, Language, Culture™)
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To: Decepticon
"Interesting links. I will say that I think Arabic writing is beautiful...."

What little I know about the Arabic Alphabet is from scanning this History of the Arabic alphabet, but it looks like much of it predates Islam.

53 posted on 03/15/2006 10:45:52 AM PST by elfman2
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
As the West enters the twilight hours of its civilization

I guess then they had better desperately pray that in the 'twilight hours' of the West we sit quietly and take all they dish out and do not take them out before we fall!

These people are incapable of reality thought on any level. Some days I actually feel sorry for how stupid islam makes these idiots and the road of destruction it has led then to.

The only hope for these people is to shake off islam.....fat chance!

54 posted on 03/15/2006 10:53:50 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Flavius Josephus
Excellent point that their religion is going through the internal struggle now. Extremists cannot win in the long term, but can do a lot of damage.

Barbarians can destroy decadent societies, but I hardly think the west has reached to stage of the Western Roman Empire in the fifth century. Certainly the USA has not reached that point. The key will be if the west has the will to win over Islamic extremism.
55 posted on 03/15/2006 12:32:02 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: The Electrician
Your allegory sounds a bit like the philosophical basis for segregation under Jim Crow. Its main purpose was to separate the races because Blacks were inferior and would dilute the superior White race.

I am not implying that you meant to infer this racist doctrine, but simply to illustrate that the allegory may be a flawed example. Hopefully, the camel dung is like the tu-- in the chlorinated swimming pool. It is nasty, but the water is probably still not going to make anyone sick.

It does point out the difficulty of assimilation of Muslims into western societies. Assimilation has seemed to work better in the USA than Europe, but frankly, Muslims are not assimilating as well as they should. If they continue to maintain their separate subculture apart from the west, it will continue to be a problem (as it certainly did with the riots in France).
56 posted on 03/15/2006 12:40:03 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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57 posted on 03/15/2006 3:39:36 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 77-78)
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58 posted on 03/15/2006 3:55:57 PM PST by SJackson (There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
Europe also shows signs of stress given the hysteria with which it views the Muslim world

Dear Reem, esteemed friend and love of my liver,
Many people might find it hard to remain calm while being threatened daily with exploding cars, exploding teens, and nuclear missiles appearing over the horizon any minute. Do yourself a favor: find Christ.

59 posted on 03/15/2006 4:01:21 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
Can a Value System Supposedly Primitive Pose a Threat to West?

No "supposedly" about it. Indeed, only a concretistic primitive would think that value system alone is the deciding factor. There is Nazi Germany for example, and Imperial Japan, which had equally primitive value systems and together damn near extinguished the West.

60 posted on 03/15/2006 4:34:34 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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