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To: bybybill

I agree the war went very well. However, the occupation is a cluster****. And it seems from what's being reported here, contrary to what the administration has repeated over and over again, it wasn't the military making the decisions, it was the politicians.


13 posted on 03/14/2006 10:35:30 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

So, in addition to insulting folks that have been there, you swallow the MSM`s reporting of what is really going on in Iraq. Well, the same tactic was used against us before, in Vietnam, and it worked there, so why not now.
If you want to learn about what really happened then, and see how the same thing is going on now, read the biography of Gen. Abrams.


17 posted on 03/14/2006 10:48:56 PM PST by bybybill (If the Rats win, we are doomed)
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To: SUSSA
You should not take the New York DNC Times so seriously. They are more a propaganda sheet then "news" these days Stop clinging to the dillusional world of the "realistist" school for Foreign Affiars. Here is what we are doing in Iraq.

For the Neo-isolationists, HERE is what we are up to in Iraq.

Counter Insurgency is a strange bastard style of war. It is not total war but it is also more then the Leftist" Police matter". The other thing most old Cast Iron Conservatives forget is the political aspect. Iraq was doable. We had the political consensus to do it. So since we needed a kill zone we could suck the terrorists into and we needed to get the American people to support the cost, there was no other choice BUT Iraq.

Want to really blow the Leftists minds? Tell them this. Even if Al Gore won in 2000 and 9-11 happened the USA would STILL be doing the same thing now in Iraq. Iraq was doable militarily and politically. There was no other place for the US to go. Iraq is basically the same deal as the invasions of Italy was in 1943

Here in a nutshell, is the MILTIARY reason for Iraq. The War on Terrorism is different sort of war. In the war on Terrorism, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone. Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The "Holy" soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is hostile to guerrilla warfare. (Iraqi-mostly open terrain as opposed to guerrilla friendly areas like the mountains of Afghanistan or the jungles of SE Asia).

There are other reasons to do Iraq but that is the MILITARY reason we are in Iraq. We have taken, an maintain the initiative from the Terrorists. They are playing OUR game on ground of OUR choosing.

Problem is Counter Insurgency is SLOW and painful. Often a case of 3 steps forward, two steps back. I often worry that the American people have neither the maturity, nor the intellect" to understand. It's so much easier to spew made for TV slogans like "No Blood for Oil" or "We support the Troops, bring them home" then to actually THINK. Problem is these people have NO desire to co-exist with us. They see all this PC posturing by the Hysteric Left as a sign that we are weak. Since they want us dead, weakness encourages them. They think their "god" will bless them for killing Westerners.

21 posted on 03/14/2006 10:52:19 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Are you not entertained? Are you NOT entertained? Is this not what you came here for?)
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