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To: thoughtomator
Every H1-B visa is an opportunity for a skilled high-wage job a US citizen doesn't get.

The flip side:

Every H1-B visa is an opportunity for an American business to bring a product to service to market at a lower cost with a better chance of success.

8 posted on 03/14/2006 8:34:53 PM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue

Oh no! Words like this may upset socialists on this board. The next thing you are going to say that capitalism works. Then we both are going to be in trouble.


10 posted on 03/14/2006 8:37:31 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: staytrue

And maybe we get to keep the H-1B worker if he gets his green card, and maybe even gets naturalized as a citizen. We're not talking about produce-pickers, after all.


12 posted on 03/14/2006 8:38:24 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: staytrue
a lower cost with a better chance of success.

And who, pray tell, is going to have the money to be able to purchase said product? Not Americans, and Indians/Chinese etc. don't care about the American economy.

13 posted on 03/14/2006 8:38:38 PM PST by America's Resolve (I've become a 'single issue voter' for 06 and 08. My issue is illegal immigration!)
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To: staytrue

If that was sufficient to counter the drawbacks of imported labor, then it would make sense to replace every American worker possible with low-cost overseas labor. But while that one company may be able to bring a product to market slightly cheaper, for many other companies their market will become slightly smaller, as foreign workers send their money back home rather than spending it here.


25 posted on 03/14/2006 8:50:44 PM PST by thoughtomator (Nobody would have cared if the UAE wanted to buy Macy's...)
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To: staytrue
Every H1-B visa is an opportunity for an American business to bring a product to service to market at a lower cost with a better chance of success.

Of course not all of them stay. Some go home, armed with valuable trade secrets with which they bring a product or service to market at an even lower cost and an even better chance of success, having escaped R&D costs.

I just love being a consumer.

And, don't forget the anxillary benefits for the home country: applications that will improve defense (or offense) posture on the world stage.

Is this a great country or what? By the way:

You know, I'm wondering what happened to all that concern about domestic security that was so much in evidence just a few weeks ago, on capital hill.

30 posted on 03/14/2006 8:54:26 PM PST by tsomer
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To: staytrue

"Every H1-B visa is an opportunity for an American business to bring a product to service to market at a lower cost with a better chance of success."

Accurate translation: Every H1-B visa is an opportunity for short-sighted American managers to screw their own employees to bring a sub-standard product to market at a lower cost, while the few young Americans who still think about entering these skilled areas bolt for whatever jobs aren't yet seen as ones where employees are expected to work 20% more than the average for 20% less pay.

I tell ya, I've been working alongside these types for 5 years now and maybe, maybe 1 in 10 produces reasonable work. The other 9 put in lots and lots of hours and look so very productive but produce shoddy work on top of the fact that for all their vaunted knowledge they have a command of the English language which makes publik skool students laugh and therefore do not really understand what it is you want of them or the assistance you gave them for the sixth time this week.

H1-Bs are the employment equivalent of buying a Yugo. Sure, it's cheap, but so? "So" means nothing, though, if you produce fictional ROI as a manager and bug out to a new job and promotion before it's time to assign blame for the defects.


36 posted on 03/14/2006 8:57:47 PM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: staytrue

And who will be able to buy those products?
Not Americans, not anymore.

Competition in the global economy, fine.
But inside this country, work is for Americans, by Americans, or there is no point in this country at all.


59 posted on 03/14/2006 9:40:04 PM PST by bordergal (1)
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To: staytrue
Every H1-B visa is an opportunity for an American business to bring a product to service to market at a lower cost with a better chance of success.

Ahh, yes, the constant refrain of "lower prices to consumers". It is generally simpered while the advocate grabs himself Michael Jackson style.

But the other side of that miserable coin is "lower wages to producers."

More H1-B visas is a dagger in the back of Americans. So of course the advocates of "lower prices to consumers" embrace the idea.

62 posted on 03/14/2006 9:53:02 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: staytrue
The flip side:

Every H1-B visa is an opportunity for an American business to bring a product to service to market at a lower cost with a better chance of success.

That's not the flip side...That's the same side...As you are suggesting, it's an opportunity for a new business or new product to be made in America for American consumption without the high cost of American labor...

So who gives a flip about new business in America that doesn't employ Americans??? If they can't afford to hire Americans, they have no business being in business in America...Period...And we need to do what we can to keep these leeches from stealing our work...

99 posted on 03/15/2006 5:42:15 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the whole trailer park...)
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To: staytrue

Another flip side, every H-1B visa holder that denies an opportunity to an American worker is another potential RAT vote.


102 posted on 03/15/2006 6:02:26 AM PST by RFT1
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To: staytrue
The flip side:
Every H1-B visa is an opportunity for an American business to bring a product to service to market at a lower cost with a better chance of success.

The flip of the flip side:

Every H1-B visa is an opportunity for a FOREIGN COUNTRY and its Businesses, State-Owned Enterprises etc. to 'bring a product to service to market...in the U.S...at a lower cost with a better chance of success...at putting the Americans out of business.

198 posted on 03/15/2006 12:35:31 PM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: staytrue
Every H1-B visa is an opportunity for an American business to bring a product to service to market at a lower cost with a better chance of success.

Really? Well I can tell you that many companies are making a very good profit hiring only Americans and yet are still deciding to start outsourcing? Why? They want even more profit. Greed will kill America, just as it killed Rome. And if you think this will lower prices for the consumer then you do not understand the kind of greed these CEO’s have. If they are willing to backstab the people who helped make them wealthy to start with, what makes you think they want to offer you a lower price product? I can tell you it is not happening at most companies. So the spin of lower cost for consumers is just that, spin.

218 posted on 03/15/2006 8:04:31 PM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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