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To: NormsRevenge
Whose gosh-dammed fault is that?

Lazy students who don't want to take on the challenge of math and science courses and instead go on to major in women's studies and sociology, that's whose fault it is.

That's right: THE US DOESN'T GRADUATE ENOUGH MATH AND SCIENCE STUDENTS BECAUSE THE STUDENTS DON'T WANT TO TAKE THEM AND DON'T WANT THE CHALLENGE. They're used to entitlement, they're used to getting something for nothing, and they sure as heck don't want to hit the books when they can have more time to party, and besides they don't want to be seen as nerds. And that is their perogative.

But don't demand inflated wages just to get a few more Americans interested, when US companies are trying to compete globally. It's the union mentality all over again. Make jobs in the US as high-paying as possible until they all disappear because we're at a competitive disadvantage.

20 posted on 03/14/2006 8:45:59 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: JohnnyZ; NormsRevenge

Perhaps if the federal government got out of the UNCONSTITUTIONAL education / entitlement business, students would have the incentive to do better in these subjects?


24 posted on 03/14/2006 8:49:59 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: JohnnyZ

I know it's early on the latest education program but didn't we just pass No Child Left Behind not so long ago, toss more money than ever at schools, and didn't the Cabinet get a Dept of Education Secy almost 30 years ago?

If these are the kind of results we have to look forward to,, Ouch!

This nation is hell-bent on globalism whether the "lazy" students and their parents realize it and mighty fast, it would appear.

It's obvious what the gubamint can't deliver at any cost , they can just as easily steal from other countries.

Nothing new there, that's where our space program came from, for the most part.

I'm just being too critical ,, I've worked with quite a few H1-B holders and others in my time in Silocon Valley.

It's a shame, the cost to level a playing field sometimes is a lot more steep than we can ever imagine.


33 posted on 03/14/2006 8:56:15 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: JohnnyZ
THE US DOESN'T GRADUATE ENOUGH MATH AND SCIENCE STUDENTS BECAUSE THE STUDENTS DON'T WANT TO TAKE THEM AND DON'T WANT THE CHALLENGE.

THE US DOESN'T GRADUATE ENOUGH MATH AND SCIENCE STUDENTS BECAUSE THE BEST STUDENTS KNOW THEY'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE A LIVING AT THEIR CHOSEN FIELD AND ARE GOING TO LAW SCHOOL BECAUSE LITIGATING THE WEALTH OUT OF THE COUNTRY IS THE LAST GROWTH INDUSTRY WE HAVE!

Loud enough for you?

60 posted on 03/14/2006 9:45:37 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: JohnnyZ
Make jobs in the US as high-paying as possible until they all disappear because we're at a competitive disadvantage.

Are you offering to take a 30% cut in your income and benefits to keep us competitive or are you just suggesting other American workers should do that?

I keep thinking that some day people in this country will wake up and see what is happening then I keep seeing things like this and know it is about hopeless.

People in this country have been brainwashed by Big Business and their bought and paid politicians to the point that they are brain dead.

Do you ever think about what you say?

Your answer to keeping high paying good jobs in the U.S is to make them low paying not so good jobs by flooding the market with people who will do the for a lot less.

The best way for Americans to not be at a competitive disadvantage against people who live in third world countries who live in third world living conditions is to lower our wages and our living conditions to match their's.

That's brilliant.

Well don't worry that's exactly what big Business and their bought and paid for political bootlickers have been doing to this once great country since the early 1970's.

Turning it into a third world economic has been .

They have already got skilled craftsmen, carpenters, welders, pipe fitters, electricians etc. working for 1980 wages by flooding the building trades with Mexican labor and now they are about to lower the wages and benefits of collage level high tech workers by the same old two prong planned attack on American workers and their wages.

Outsourcing jobs and in-sourcing cheap labor. Business will continue outsourcing American jobs and our New Federal Chamber of Commerce ,The White House, Congress and the Supreme Court[?} will continue to in-source more cheap foreign labor.

What about the American worker who is working two jobs and his wife one trying to stay off the welfare rolls. Well he will continue to hear how it is all his fault for being a lazy, spend crazy, greedy American worker and if we have any sense we will vote for [insert either party].

The only satisfaction is history tells us that those leaders who sell out their people and their country for profit, wind up selling out their own future as well.

74 posted on 03/15/2006 12:03:52 AM PST by mississippi red-neck (You will never win the war on terrorism by fighting it in Iraq and funding it in the West Bank.)
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To: JohnnyZ

This is bunk. They offshore jobs that are related to these fields claiming the same thing while there are plenty of students in the programs they speak of. Problem is, when the jobs are all a high risk, the students are smart enough to get out while the gettin is good. So then they continue yelling what was once a lie because it is now true (possibly) and seems to help them at least as much as when they were lying becaus the politicians didn't need facts, just the excuse..

That should about sum that one up.


88 posted on 03/15/2006 4:26:36 AM PST by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: JohnnyZ

Ok, probably true, but why would a male take these courses when he is being told that foreginers will worker cheaper and longer?????? That is just stupid.

Knowing what I know now, a male today is probably best off going to a junior college and then going right in to a trade and opening their own business and provide great ENGLISH SPEAKING service.


94 posted on 03/15/2006 4:48:31 AM PST by chris1
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To: JohnnyZ
Lazy students who don't want to take on the challenge of math and science courses and instead go on to major in women's studies and sociology, that's whose fault it is.

Not to mention the bible-thumpers who want to roll back the science classes to the 1700's.

173 posted on 03/15/2006 9:30:36 AM PST by blowfish
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