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What DPW Wrought
The Strata-Sphere ^ | March 14th, 2006 | AJStrata

Posted on 03/14/2006 3:24:08 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

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To: Sam the Sham
Well, gollleee! I didn't know that! Well you are right, there will never be a democratic government.

I mean, it couldn't possibly be like Texans voting for Texans to represent them, could it? It is, after all, a parliamentary democracy, so people are going to vote for a representative who lives in the area, aren't they? Were there Kurds running to represent areas of Baghdad? Southern Shia standing for election up in Kurdistan?

21 posted on 03/14/2006 5:33:24 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

Last time I checked, Texans and Californians weren't planting bombs in each other's shopping malls.


22 posted on 03/14/2006 5:38:24 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham
Stepping in a big, steaming pile of Dubai
23 posted on 03/14/2006 5:56:38 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Sam the Sham
Nice try. Your point was that Sunnis voted for Sunnis, Kurds for Kurds, etc. I pointed out why this was perfectly normal. You don't have an answer, so you change the subject.

The Dubai port fiasco will come back to bite us. I will refrain from "I told you so's" when it happens, but I hope you will remember my words.

24 posted on 03/14/2006 6:20:09 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple
I will refrain from "I told you so's"

I won't. You're a better person than I am.

25 posted on 03/14/2006 6:26:57 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
No, I'm not a better person. I just know, from past experience, that some people, when confronted with a mistake, won't recognize it as such.

I'm not a better person, simply a lazier one. I don't like to waste my time.

By the way, I heartily recommend Fred Barnes' book Rebel-in-Chief. It explains a lot of the President's actions, and it is very interesting. The perfect conservatives won't like it, but it does explain the resoning behind a lot of things like "No Child Left Behind" and the Medicare prescription drug plan. Made me think about a lot of things I take for granted as far as political/governmental theory.

26 posted on 03/14/2006 6:33:31 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Sam the Sham

You this and you that. Bah.

You better get that letter writing campaign started to the DOD. We surely can't have UAE military fighting alongside our military against terrorists. Can't trust 'em.

If we shun them all, maybe they'll change, right? Because surely leading by example wouldn't do anything.

Oh, and let me know how you plan on the ME countries coming up to the 21st century goes, I guess they'll be following Russia's model? Africa's? Venezuela's? China's? India's? Just not ours, because we can't trust 'em, none of 'em to run a business in the US. Whose do you want them to follow?

Those opposing the port deal bandy about the globalist label as easily as those who support it do the racist label. Neither always fit.

It's more like bigotry, anyway.


27 posted on 03/14/2006 6:41:02 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Rookay, just how many of the UAE native born citizens -- not sons of imports, are fighting side by side of us in Iraq?


28 posted on 03/14/2006 6:46:22 PM PST by bvw
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To: Miss Marple; Cannoneer No. 4; Echo Talon

It is not perfectly normal to vote for someone of your ethnicity because you view other ethnicities as mortal enemies. These were the NATIONAL Iraqi elections, not for the school board. And they fell precisely along confessional lines because they are the only lines that really matter. I don't expect you or the other Dubai port deal apologists to be capable of recognizing that there is nothing 'transforming' about elections in a culture drenched in ethnic hate.

Fascinating about how you shift gears from "our great friends the UAE" to "be careful, now they will hurt us so we should have kept them happy" without any consciousness of contradiction or irony.


29 posted on 03/14/2006 7:03:52 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham

Lets lose all our allies and then lets see how hard the WOT is.


30 posted on 03/14/2006 7:10:18 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: eyespysomething; hedgetrimmer; A. Pole; Miss Marple; Echo Talon; sinkspur; Stellar Dendrite

Isn't it funny how you Dubai port deal apologists babble about how 'racist' people are who opposed the deal while you go on and prattle about how Great White Father will use it to transform and enlighten his little brown children. There is another kind of racism you know, and it is your White Missionary assumption that every 'heathen' wants to be just like you. The arrogant, imperialist assumption that you have that level of moral and cultural influence over them.

We who opposed it do not flatter ourselves that we can change a culture that has no wish to be changed. We credit them with the ability to make their own choices and have their own agenda. So who, really, is the racist here ?


31 posted on 03/14/2006 7:12:42 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham
Shiites voted for Shiites. Sunnis voted for Sunnis. Kurds voted for Kurds. Hardly the 'transformation' you and Echo Talon are babbling about. Indeed, if there were a completely free election in Egypt tomorrow the Muslim Brotherhood would win. That is why there will never be one if Mubarak can help it.

Thats not the transformation I'm talking about. Economic and social transformation is what is needed. Repressive regimes coupled with poverty is what breeds terrorism.

32 posted on 03/14/2006 7:13:47 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Sam the Sham
Isn't the entire point of oil wealth that they don't have to transform ? That they can just buy Western things and remain medieval societies ?

All you see is the oil money, quit thinking of how they get their money and focus on WHO gets the money.

33 posted on 03/14/2006 7:17:40 PM PST by Echo Talon
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Repressive regimes coupled with poverty breed terrorism ? Then why aren't terrorists streaming out of sub-Saharan Africa ? How can you talk such nonsense when every major country on this planet has a Salafist Islam-based security problem ? How can you talk such nonsense when most of the armed conflicts on this planet are "Militant Islam vs ...." ?

The effortless wealth of the Muslim world has allowed it to defer cultural modernization indefinitely. The Gulf States can Scandinavian levels of cradle to grave security without having to emancipate women or tolerate other religions or have freedom of inquiry to get there.


34 posted on 03/14/2006 7:21:17 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham

Terrorist are all over Africa where have you been?


35 posted on 03/14/2006 7:24:38 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

Last time I checked the Lord's Resistance Army wasn't kidnapping school children in Beslan.

Sub Saharan African 'terrorism' is warlordism, brigandage, nothing like al-Qaeda.


36 posted on 03/14/2006 7:28:02 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham
I have no idea why you are ranting to me. I did not call you a racist.

Yes, those were national elections, just like elections in Britain are national elections. And guess what: in Yorkshire, they vote for Yorkshiremen!!! Amazing, but true!!

37 posted on 03/14/2006 7:30:33 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Sam the Sham

If you think AQ isn't all over Africa you're kidding yourself.


38 posted on 03/14/2006 7:35:13 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Sam the Sham
Every Muslim state is an ethnic civil war waiting to happen. Once an American army enters a Muslim state this disrupts the internal ethnic pecking order and all hell breaks loose. By our very presence we get sucked into the ethnic civil war that follows.

From Iraq, this is Sam the Sham reporting for CNN.

39 posted on 03/14/2006 7:43:51 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Sam the Sham
No, I said it was wrong for people to label anti-Dubai people as racist. Did you not read my post? I said it was more like bigotry.

Now you're just getting ridiculous. Why are you bringing a veiled swipe at Christianity into this?

If we can't change hearts and minds, then we better get on with the killin'. There's lots of muslims out there. I suggest you start with the women and children.

Me? I'm all for giving them choices to choose from first. We may have to kill 'em all, but we aren't quite there yet.

You don't want them to have any choices. So who, really, is the bigot? What's that phrase? The soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

See, I think our way, as flawed as it may be at times, is the best way. That's what's great about America.

So yes, if they are going to have to follow some type of example, I do want it to be us, as opposed to many other countries around the world. And I'm not ashamed to admit it.

40 posted on 03/14/2006 7:45:02 PM PST by eyespysomething
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