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Posted on 03/14/2006 2:58:16 PM PST by kronos77
Behind every hero stands a traitor.” So goes an old saying in the Balkans. As renowned commentator on the Balkan nations Fitzroy Maclean observed, the difficulty is to determine which is which. Was Milosevic a hero or a traitor to his fellow Serbs and the peoples of old Yugoslavia? Milosevic came to power as rumbles started to vibrate apart the Iron Curtain that had protected postwar Yugoslavia, under the strong-willed resistance by Marshal Tito until his death in 1980, from incursion by the Soviet Union. Milosevic was elected president of Serbia in 1989. When Germany united, East with West, following the fall of the Berlin Wall, that nation found a newly focused voice in foreign policy. It was to the Balkans that the German government turned its first attention in this respect. Within Yugoslavia, former Nazi supporter Franjo Tudjman was elected president of Croatia in the spring of 1990 only months after the Berlin Wall fell. Tudjman was supported by Germany and the Vatican, against all other world opinion to the contrary, when Croatia seceded from the Yugoslav federation in 1991. Those familiar with the results of the Vatican and Germany working their policies in tandem regarding the Balkan Peninsula shuddered at what might come next. They did not have to wait long to see their worst fears materialize. The history of the 1930s and ’40s was about to be repeated. One of those who remembered that history was Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic. He determined to resist this trend.
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Milosevic was a traitor - the supreme traitor of Serbian history.
He's dead, Jim. That's all that matters about him.
Wait for the funeral.
"Remeber!"
Mr. Spock to Bones in engineery room.
Just one of the more outrageous examples:
"Within Yugoslavia, former Nazi supporter Franjo Tudjman was elected president of Croatia in the spring of 1990 only months after the Berlin Wall fell."
This is an outrageous LIE. Franjo Tudjman WAS A PARTISAN during WWII and fought against the Nazis. To call him a 'former Nazi supporter' is about as low as you can go.
Tudjman fell out of favor with Tito and was cashiered as a General in the JNA (Yu Army) in the early 1960s, becoming thereafter a Croatian nationalist dissident (though he never left the country.
When he was elected president of Croatia he sought support from all sides - and did receive much financial support from the right-wing part of the Croatian emigre community, whose cause he championed (and whose $$$ he and Defense Minister Susak largely misappropriated into their personal bank accounts). He rode the winds of prevaling times to power (which were certainly anti-Serb after Milosevic started trying to consolidate power in all of Yugoslavia 1989-1990), but to say that this makes Tudjman a "former Nazi supporter" is an OUTRAGE.
Therefore, my dear Kronos77, the writer of this article loses ALL credibility right off the bat. He is either ignorant or a Slobo apologist.
The truth is that, as Tudjman reportedly said to now-president of Croatia in 1990 "Milosevic is the only one who can destroy Yugoslavia!"
Yes, there were crimes committed against Serbs in both Croatia and Muslim part of Bosnia.
But those crimes were a response to greater crimes commited at FIRST by Milosevic's men.
Milosevic was the Alpha and Omega of the Balkan wars - without him they probably would NOT have happened, and they could not END until he was out of power.
Sorry Serb nationalist and commie apologists, this is the simple TRUTH.
"Im glade that my vife isn`t either Jewish either Serbian"
Tudjman, 1991.
Tudjman was arresten in 1970es as a Croat nacionalist.
His minister in 1991 was known nazi-warcriminal from Argentina exile.
Bad things will continue to come out of the Balkins.
Hero or traitor?
how about murderous madman?
Hmmmm.
I must also be a Serb Nationalist or a commie apologist, then.
Cuz I think aiding Bosnia and Croatia muslims was the most egregious military and political blunder of the 20th century.
And the most damaging long term.
I'm addited to reality, and propaganda and name-calling don't faze me.
Clinton backed the wrong side.
Yes, THIS is the truth... not that crappy stuf you wrote about "nationalism"....
Ah, yes...THE vatican??? he same group of folks who formed those FAMOUS "ratlines" for escaping WWII NAZIS.... thousands of whom WERE CROATIANS.
Now you peddle another lie when you say that Gojko Susak, Tudjman's defense minister until his death in 1998 from cancer was a "known Nazi war criminal."
How do I know that? Here is how: "Gojko Šušak (April 16, 1945 – May 3, 1998) " So, like, WWII ended three weeks after his birth. He must have worked real hard becoming a Nazi war criminal in his first three weeks of life!!!
Here's the Wikipedia link for you:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojko_Susak
Now, Susak was a VERY BAD GUY. Probably the biggest supporter of violent secession on the Croat side. Yes, he associated with people who had Nazi sympathies, some of whom served in the Ustasa Croat puppet state.
But that does not make him a "known Nazi war criminal"!!!!!!!!!!!!! Check the calendar before posting such nonsense again. Do you think everyone on FR isn't familiar with the former YU?
BTTT
Oh, another thing. Gojko Susak emigrated to Canada, not Argentina, and from there he came back to Croatia.
bttt for later reading
This on the center of the flag is Holly cross, symbol of "Serb commies" :)))))))))))))))
In Croatia Tudjman wanted to be able to close down the independent press, but massive street demonstrations and public opposition prevented him from ever doing so.
Croatia is now a democracy on the rebound, while Serbia is still twisted in agony over whether it should join the 21st century or continue to follow dead-end nationalist ideas like a "Greater Serbia" fantasy.
The only time that a "Greater Serbia" was possible and offered was in 1918 - and King Alexander foolishly chose a larger multi-ethnic Yugoslavia instead. That chance has come and gone, never to present itself again.
Dude, these Slobo disputes are harshing my mellow, dude!
Wasn't Tudjman one of the thousands of Ustashe who were given amnesty by Tito in January 1944 (or was it 1945)if they came over to the Partisan side? Many Ustashe simply changed their uniforms at the end of the war and became Partisans - who were given credit by the British for the Chetniks successful attacks against the Germans.
The Partisans were mainly fighting the Chetniks.
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