[joyspring777]

We are talking about people who KNOW IT IS A LIE. The Apostles had to KNOW they were dieing for a lie.

These kids really believe what they are going to get.

[VadeRetro]

We are talking about people who KNOW IT IS A LIE. The Apostles had to KNOW they were dieing for a lie.

So they could have been mistaken, or the 9-11 bombers could have been mistaken, or both, or neither. In short, anyone's willingness to die for The TRVTH reveals nothing about the truth of The TRVTH.

It just wasn't a good, logical argument, OK?