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"I assume you disagree with at least some of science, or you would not be bringing religion into this thread."

First, your assumption is wrong. If you read my whole response to narby, you would see that I did not claim to be able to prove God, or Genesis, or creation. I admit that those are items of faith. I was merely trying to point narby in the right direction to find God, since he?she brought it up in a previous thread.

Second, I love science. But let's throw a definition from Websters down, so we don't get confused.

scientific method
Function: noun
: principles and procedures for the systematic pursuit of knowledge involving the recognition and formulation of a problem, the collection of data through observation and experiment, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses

Notice the phrase "collection of data through observation and experiment." This is where alot of my disagreement with TOE lies.

I try a small example to illustrate....

Fossil found in China....Fact.
Fossil appears to be a bird with lizard scales (archeoptorix spelling?)....Fact.
Proof that Birds come from lizards...False.

Evolutionists will say that TOE is based totally on Science and no faith is needed. However, you cannot create, through experiments, a bird turning into a lizard. Therefore you must believe something that cannot be observed (faith).

Does that by default mean that the evolutionist is wrong? No, and it also doesn't mean by default that creationists are right either. It simply means that it is not proven.

As far as Christian beliefs being brought into a science forum...I don't think that you can completely separate the two. My relationship with Jesus is the core of who I am, and everything else radiates from that.

Likewise, I don't think that it is uncommon, for say an evolutionist, whose core belief is that there is no God, to have everything they believe radiate from that. Therefore, you will have religious/philosophical threads off of scientific debates.

Sincerely

However, you cannot create, through experiments, a bird turning into a lizard. Therefore you must believe something that cannot be observed.

You cannot find a biologist who believes a bird ever turned into a lizard. So what's your point?

In the standard understanding of evolution, nothing has ever been born that is not of the same species as its parents.