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Myths of Iraq (Col. Ralph Peters)
Real Clear Politics ^ | 3-14-06 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 03/13/2006 9:35:40 PM PST by smoothsailing

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To: LibertarianInExile

My, My, that did sound very officious. :-)


41 posted on 03/14/2006 2:26:43 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: american spirit


Am I to assume that that's the only thing you would like to see the MSM pick up?


42 posted on 03/14/2006 2:29:35 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: smoothsailing
"You really need to get over yourself,LE."

Awwww, how cute! Your snappy rejoinders always seem to include everything BUT an actual response to others' comments.

[Pats li'l smoothsailing on the head paternally]

One day you'll grow up and then you may try to get off the porch again. Until then, you should probably confine your posts to "!@#$!@#$ the Clintons!" and "BUMP!"

43 posted on 03/14/2006 2:30:17 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile
Let me put it another way then,LE.

I choose not to bathe in the glow of your self-assumed superiority.You'll have to enjoy the view alone from that high horse of yours.

44 posted on 03/14/2006 2:37:07 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo

I may well have been eager to correct, and it's obvious that the recipient was unwilling to listen to it. But I have remained silent and continued to bear mute witness to illogic and insult passing for debate long enough.


45 posted on 03/14/2006 2:40:01 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: smoothsailing

If you find that correction of your childish attempts at logic is exhibiting 'superiority,' at some level you're simply subsuming your acceptance of the correction and chafing at being called on it. Knowing you're going to recognize your error next time and refrain from it, even if you can't accept it now or state so publicly here, is all I need to read. I'll simply let your silly insults slide off. They're just the defensive statements of someone caught in improper behavior and trying to distract.


46 posted on 03/14/2006 2:46:19 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Whatever, have a nice day.


47 posted on 03/14/2006 2:46:59 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: smoothsailing

Here are a couple of images from Iraq that you are not likely to find on the television news.

I have dozens of pictures like this that the lying media won't have on "their" programs.

 


48 posted on 03/14/2006 2:53:14 PM PST by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: Radix
Thanks for posting,Radix.

Those are wonderful, and quite heartwarming.

To know that those kids have a decent chance at a rewarding future must really help boost the morale of our guys.

49 posted on 03/14/2006 3:00:51 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

The electricity system is worse than before the war.

Untrue again. The condition of the electric grid under the old regime was appalling. Yet, despite insurgent attacks, the newly revamped system produced 5,300 megawatts last summer--a full thousand megawatts more than the peak under Saddam Hussein. Shortages continue because demand soared--newly free Iraqis went on a buying spree, filling their homes with air conditioners, appliances and the new national symbol, the satellite dish. Nonetheless, satellite photos taken during the hours of darkness show Baghdad as bright as Damascus.


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Ping


50 posted on 03/14/2006 3:02:16 PM PST by maica (You are being lied to. By elements in the media determined that Iraq must fail. - Ralph Peters)
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To: Freee-dame

The ping at #50 was meant for you.


51 posted on 03/14/2006 3:18:08 PM PST by maica (You are being lied to. By elements in the media determined that Iraq must fail. - Ralph Peters)
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To: smoothsailing
You've made your point, but without proposing an alternative.

The alternative to a small cheap light force that will probably be optimized for "small" wars against second or third rate opponents is pretty obviously a larger better armored, more capable, and thus more expensive force. We had such a force the last time we went against Iraq, thanks to Ronald Reagan's build up.

President G.H.W Bush had a plan to downsize the military to account for the fall of the Soviet Union. Clinton implemented that plan, and about 2X more in reductions. Surely we don't need to cut any more, although we have since Clinton strutted off to Chapaqua, and we are planning to cut even more. We are grounding more than a third of the B-52 fleet, even though it was programmed to keep flying through 2040, we'd already slashed the B-1 fleet by about the same. We're going to reduce the number of aircraft carriers by one, IIRC. We've cut and stretched all kinds of R&D projects, so we are eating our seed corn too. We can't handle a pipsqueak country like Iraq without calling up the National Guard and Reserve. I think we've cut enough, but we are talking of cutting those reserve forces even as we use them.

Maintaining the mixed, heavy and light, force that we, IMHO, need won't come cheap. Heck we might have to devote the same fraction of the GDP to defense that we did at the low point of the Carter years. (4.7% in '78 and '79), now we are spending less than 4.0% of the GDP on the military. Where would the money come from? Well at that same time we were spending 9.9% of GDP on entitlements, in FY 2004 it was 11.6%, and has likely gone up since then. At the peak of the Reagan buildup we were spending 6.2% of GDP on defense and 10.5% on entitlements. In 1962, before the Cuban missile crises and the Vietnam war, IOW, a time of relative peace, we where spending 9.3% on the military and 6.1% on entitlements.

There's nothing in the Constitution on entitlements, there is something in there about Congress having the power to raise Armies, and a Navy. There is a requirement that the federal government protect the states from attack. I'd say we, and that includes President "W" Bush, have our priorities out of whack.

52 posted on 03/14/2006 3:18:33 PM PST by El Gato
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"Well at that same time we were spending 9.9% of GDP on entitlements, in FY 2004 it was 11.6%, and has likely gone up since then."

Yep, since Johnson nobody needs to sacrifice for a war--it's now guns AND butter. God forbid people work to buy their own $#@!$#@!$ butter.


53 posted on 03/14/2006 3:26:24 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: smoothsailing
My oh my, I can't bump this. What? Let facts get in the way of a hysterical, trumped up story? No way...

5.56mm

54 posted on 03/14/2006 3:30:35 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: jazusamo

If the MSM picked up that whole story, complete with the unbelievable human toll DU has had on our soldiers (& their families) plus the environmental damage it's done to Iraq and publicized it to the degree that they've done with other "alleged" news stories some of these other issues would pale in comparison.


55 posted on 03/14/2006 3:46:29 PM PST by american spirit
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To: jmc1969

Ah, war is easy in a book...


56 posted on 03/14/2006 3:49:44 PM PST by carton253 (Al-Qa'eda are not the Viet Cong. If you exit, they'll follow. And Americans will die...)
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To: LibertarianInExile
Yep, since Johnson nobody needs to sacrifice for a war--it's now guns AND butter.

Clearly you haven't looked at the numbers. The guns get whatever is left over after we've doled out the butter, and the pork.

57 posted on 03/14/2006 4:03:48 PM PST by El Gato
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To: american spirit
"some of these other issues would pale in comparison."

It sounds like you're trying to make a case that we should never have invaded Iraq.

I have read some on the effects of DU. There are differing opinions on it just as with anything.

I will be the first to admit there has been environmental damage in Iraq. I find it naive to think a war can be fought without it.

One thing that has been reported by the MSM is the butchery of Saddam and his regime, but only in a cursory manner. He and his thugs murdered and tortured hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's because he believed them to be a threat to his dictatorship.

I would ask our media to inquire with the average Iraqi citizen what is more important to them? DU, environmental damage or the fact that they now are not living under the murderous regime of Saddam and his killers.
58 posted on 03/14/2006 4:11:41 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: El Gato

"Clearly you haven't looked at the numbers. The guns get whatever is left over after we've doled out the butter, and the pork."

Agreed 100%. I stand corrected.


59 posted on 03/14/2006 4:14:15 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: El Gato
Entitlement spending is the biggest internal threat to our well-being as a nation, in my view.It's going to take leadership, the likes of which I havn't seen yet, to reduce or eliminate entitlements significantly.

The military force you describe, is pretty much what existed during my service time starting back in the 60's.I certainly agree with your assessment of "eating our seed corn" and streching the guard and reserve.

Since 9-11 I've wondered what it will have to take for our government and our citizens to realize that entitlements are an unsustainable luxury that weakens us, and that the time has come to put far more resources in to the larger force you speak of.

As I mentioned further up the thread, given what he has to work with, Rumsfeld has done well,IMO.

60 posted on 03/14/2006 4:29:06 PM PST by smoothsailing
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