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McCain gains stature among GOP faithful (But conservative wing could deny him party's nomination)
Twin Cities Pioneer Press ^ | Sun, Mar. 12, 2006 | STEVEN THOMMA

Posted on 03/13/2006 9:38:25 AM PST by presidio9

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To: LikeLight

"Vile" is a good word for McCain.


201 posted on 03/14/2006 6:12:52 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: xzins

There is such a drastic falloff from the principled candidate to the "can win" alternative most of the time, I cannot support the 'winner'.

We agree in principle, but not on strategy. Thanks for the civil disagreement.


202 posted on 03/15/2006 3:27:30 AM PST by Badray ("Senator," like "Dog Catcher" is just a job title, not a rank.)
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To: SDGOP

I guess that would be '3rd' after the 8 who tied for first.

Either way, I don't know a lot about him because I haven't looked that closely. The thing that got my attention -- and my dander up -- was his going back on a committment to oppose some hate crime law. Thought crime laws really bother me and I don't think that Allen has a deep understanding of liberty if he wants to punish people based on thoughts. Punish the criminal for the crime, not the motive, especially one that must (or may) be devined. Isn't all crime based on hate for -- or disregard -- for the victim?


203 posted on 03/15/2006 3:33:17 AM PST by Badray ("Senator," like "Dog Catcher" is just a job title, not a rank.)
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To: SDGOP
Right now my list is 1. Allen 2. Romney 3. Mccain

Right now my list is 1. Allen 2. Romney 3. Any other Republican 4. Mccain and I'm only kidding about the first two.

Dream candidates at this early date: Mark Sanford and Mike Pence. Either or both in any order.

204 posted on 03/15/2006 3:39:44 AM PST by Badray ("Senator," like "Dog Catcher" is just a job title, not a rank.)
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To: presidio9

It won't be pretty, and McCain won't get the nomination.


205 posted on 03/15/2006 3:46:34 AM PST by hershey
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To: presidio9

The "Republican Wing" could deny him the nomination, rather. McKook will embarass himself again and again by his impulsive and irrational behavior. Just sit back and enjoy the show.


206 posted on 03/15/2006 3:51:18 AM PST by anton
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To: Badray

Actually its not 3rd its more like 5th or 6th, some of those guys had a 100 rating, but their overall ACU rating was lower than ALlen's.

As for that hate crimes legislation, to be honest it looks kind of strange that he voted for it but he has always been consistnetly opposed to it and it was a part of some larger bill. For a while Allen's cheif of staff(i think or some high up position) was gay and i think he didnt tell him the truth behidn that legislation because after allen found out that he had voted in favor of 'hate crimes', he issued a statement saying it was a mistake. Of course he didnt include the stuff about his gay staffer but thats just my deduction.

Gay staffer sees oh hate crimes against me, why not? Tricks his boss into voting for it and the boss doesnt think much about it. You'd be surprised how many congressional staffers don't tell their bosses the whole truth when it comes to bills(congressmen/senators can't realistically be up to date on all of them). If you want egregious, read coburn's book. IT talks about how some approprations commitee staffers insert pork into some bills.


207 posted on 03/15/2006 6:45:55 AM PST by SDGOP
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To: anton; hershey

if thers a crowded field mccain could sneak by. His advisors admit this openly. If two conservatives are splitting the republican primary voters vote, while rinos stay true to their man, MCcain is very likely to slip by.

I fear who evers in third, will be so stubborn he wont drop out causing the 2nd place not to get the traction he needs to beat Mccain.


208 posted on 03/15/2006 6:47:04 AM PST by SDGOP
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To: rhombus

Right now, any of them. They are all bad news.


209 posted on 03/15/2006 9:42:44 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free
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To: Scotsman will be Free

The problem with the "sending a message" strategy is that we all have short attention spans. Was the election of Clinton, "sending a message"? Perhaps but I'm not sure anyone got that message but I supppose it could be argued that the Contract With America wins were a result of getting the message. I'm not sure I buy that, I think the message was the "Contract With America" and disatisfaction with Congress not disatisfaction with GW Bush a few years previous but I'm sure some will argue otherwise.


210 posted on 03/15/2006 10:13:04 AM PST by rhombus
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To: SDGOP

I believe you on how bad it is. It's time to clean house from top to bottom. If you ever had a job in government, you're disqualified. It doesn't take years of experience to do the jobs that are constitutionally mandated. It takes time to learn how to play the games that screw us all.


211 posted on 03/15/2006 11:18:22 AM PST by Badray ("Senator," like "Dog Catcher" is just a job title, not a rank.)
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To: SDGOP
True! That is why Jean Schmidt is my Rep. She was in a hotly contested primary against two good candidates (Brinkman and McEwen) and one bad one (Pat Dewine). She slipped in and now is the encumbent in another primary against McEwen.

It can and does happen. Let's pray that cooler heads prevail in the GOP Pres. primary.
212 posted on 03/15/2006 12:39:29 PM PST by anton
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To: anton

I hope so, but you have to remember alot of these guys(and i know we like them) do have egos. Like rush always says, if you want to be president you've got to have an ego that says the country can't function without you. Do you really think if they thought they were close to the presidency they would give up?


213 posted on 03/15/2006 12:43:49 PM PST by SDGOP
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To: Pessimist

What party have you been watching? It has never been ideologically unified in my lifetime or even during the day of Lincoln. It was other Republicans who gave him the most grief.


214 posted on 03/15/2006 12:45:14 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: SDGOP

Giuliani and McCain would split votes too, but Giuliani would probably not run unless he was sure to win.

I've been worried about DemoRats who vote in GOP primaries, but I don't really know if that is a realistic concern. Like, how many GOP primaries have open voting and how many require that the voter supported the GOP Presidential candidate in the last election? And do they check?


215 posted on 03/15/2006 1:29:36 PM PST by anton
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