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To: Rokke; dervish
Embracing the trappings of modernity-in this case, in order to advance a very pernicious goal-is not the same as accepting the underlying Enlightenment values that usually accompany it in most civilized, Western nations.

Modernism was touted by the Ba'athists, and the Nasserites, and the pan-Arabists for a time.

There is no one more keen on acquiring modern implements of destruction than terrorist networks like Al Qaeda, but that doesn't prevent them from desiring a return to pre- medieval times.

The remark most often made whenever another Yankee cap-wearing, boombox-carrying, seemingly "modern" Muslim goes on a self-immolation mission that results in the deaths of scores of his purported countrymen-the humans that live in his adopted nation, a nation that has embraced him, but which he has rejected-is how conflicted he was before finalizing his kamikaze mission.

It is an irreconcilable internal conflict.

Don't trust me, read Dalrymple.

And I have no idea what you were implying in your previously posted comment.

Are you seriously implying that we should normalize diplomatic relations with Iran or Syria?

I don't know if this has dawned on you, but we tried the "engagement" strategy with both of those nations-especially the IRI-and it was a miserable, unmitigated failure.

732 posted on 03/13/2006 12:54:18 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
"Are you seriously implying that we should normalize diplomatic relations with Iran or Syria?"

Absolutely not. They are lost causes. But they demonstrate what happens when we severe our opportunities to provide a positive influence. Those countries are moving backwards while the rest of the Middle East moves forwards. Severing ties wasn't our choice or our fault. And I believe both Syria and Iran should pay the penalty for breaking away. But in the meantime, they remain the regions greatest incubators of anti-western nutjobs, while countries like Bahrain sponsor Formula 1 races, and the UAE sponsors tennis and golf tournaments. Clearly, our "engagement" strategy with those countries is working just fine.

735 posted on 03/13/2006 1:02:30 AM PST by Rokke
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