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To: holdonnow; Howlin; hole_n_one; Jim Robinson; Cboldt; Para-Ord.45; LibLieSlayer; eleni121

I think you missed the point. I've read about 300 of the guy's posts over the last week. He hasn't shown any signs of being overly prone to out-and-out lies.

And since I presume you to be truthful, it looks to me like a misunderstanding which only gets worse when charges of lying are thrown about.

Assuming we have some truth in the narrative: bayourant was listening to the Mark Levin show on March 9, and THOUGHT he heard Mark say the general was a "dirtbag".

I believe that he THOUGHT that was said -- because he immediately posted it to the live thread, and he says he wrote a letter to WABC about it. Given the availability of transcripts and audio, and the fact that he was posting to a thread followed by hundreds of people who were listening at the same time, it is nearly impossible to believe he deliberately LIED about what he thought he heard.

Presuming therefore that he THOUGHT he was right about what he heard -- nobody on the thread corrected him, while two posters agreed with him (not about the comment, but wrote in agreement with his sentiment). So it is rational that he left that day believing that he had confirmation of what he had heard, since nobody told him he was wrong.

Fast-forward to this thread. HE was obviously mad about what he THOUGHT Mark said. He brought it up specifically.

Then a poster by the freeper name of "holdonnow" accuses him of calling holdonnow a liar. boyourant is confused, because (and I believe this as well) he doesn't know who holdonnow is, but boyourant KNOWS he didn't accuse a fellow freeper of anything, just some talk show host (Mark Levin) he was listening to on March 9.

So back-and-forth accusations are thrown, with Boyourant looking stupid because he's not in on the joke, which is that he's actually TALKING TO MARK LEVIN and he doesn't know it. But it is a rational mistake.

So here's a guy. He heard something on the radio (or thinks he did) which made him really mad, so mad he posted it on the live thread and wrote the station. He brings it up 3 days later and he's under attack for being a liar, with the "proof" being that in this very threat he's denying what he clearly just did -- but that's a misunderstanding, because boyourant DOESN'T KNOW WHO HE IS TALKING TO.

But he is educated quickly. He is told it is Mark. But he can't believe it, because he knows what he heard and he can't believe the guy would deny it. He's dug his hole, and he's coming around slowly, too slowly.

But seeing the light bulb, it's dawning on him that there is something going on here -- so his last post shows a hint that he's going to go back and really research to prove he's not just a liar.

I believe he wasn't lying, just mistaken. I'm disappointed that something that is so obviously a misunderstanding got blown up to where a guy from the UAE who gave us a different perspective got banned in a matter of about an hour during which he was completely lost as to what was happening.

I am a short-time listener (WMAL, sometimes I could receive WABC), a big fan, and my son and I love the show (my son is 10, and for him it's "the show with the guy that yells all the time and calls people dopes". I disagreed with the conclusion regarding the Port deal, but I defended Mark (not that he needed it) because he was about the only opponent who didn't make me scream about ignorance of facts.

If I'm not around tomorrow, it's been fun :->


688 posted on 03/12/2006 11:37:17 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

To: bayourant
"This is outrageous - I never called a major general a dirtbag. I spend a great deal of time with the military. I said what the general said was an outrage, when he said that opposition to the deal was Arab and Muslim bashing. You are a disgrace.



2 posted on 03/12/2006 10:54:21 PM EST by holdonnow "

Mark said the above, identified himself by saying the word "I". Bayourant just didn't catch it early on.


695 posted on 03/12/2006 11:46:50 PM PST by tina07 (In Memory of my Father - WWII Army Air Force Veteran)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I think you nailed it. I know I came in not knowing what was going on. And Levin did absolutely nothing to mitigate the situation.


697 posted on 03/12/2006 11:48:36 PM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Dang - nice summary of your observations.

I do agree with the outcome you advocate, even without confirming the details of how all went down. I've been around bayourant on many threads, and while I couldn't tell you waht he stood for, I can tell you that from my point of view, he wasn't a pain in the ass.

I don't want that to be a testimonial, just an observation that I didn't chalk to handle up as obnoxious.

His posting history is there for the moderators and owner to check out.

698 posted on 03/12/2006 11:48:40 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: CharlesWayneCT
If I'm not around tomorrow, it's been fun :->

 

LOL 

707 posted on 03/12/2006 11:56:33 PM PST by 1035rep
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You're a good guy, that's for sure, to do all that work on someone else's behalf.


748 posted on 03/13/2006 4:25:52 AM PST by bvw
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To: CharlesWayneCT; holdonnow; Howlin; hole_n_one; Jim Robinson; Cboldt; Para-Ord.45; LibLieSlayer; ...
I have conversed with bayourant this past week, and I feel you are correct in how you described events. I hope Jim reinstates his membership today, as I think he will realize that what he heard and what Mark said were misunderstood. After all, a bag of dirt, and a ball of mud are about the same thing. It was the way the phrased was used that led to confusion.

LLS
749 posted on 03/13/2006 4:28:10 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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