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To: dervish
"I proved my point with facts."

OK, let's take a look at your point. It was... "Many elements in their governments, not to mention the populace, of SA, and ALL Gulf States including UAE support Al Qaeda and terrorism." So you believe the articles you linked prove the governments of Saudi Arabia and ALL Gulf states support Al Qaeda and terrorism. I've got more time now, so let me take another look.

Source 1. You've linked an article describing a 2002 message from Al Qaeda to leaders of the UAE. Let me quote from your source...."The warning was contained in a June 2002 message to UAE rulers, in which the terror network demanded the release of an unknown number of "mujahedeen detainees," who it said had been arrested during a government crackdown in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks....
Little is known about the origins or authorship of the message."
Tell me again how this proves your point? A message from a questionable source is threatening the UAE because the UAE cracked down on terrorists after 9/11. Source 1 clearly does not prove your point.

Source 2...This is a Washington Post article published 6 months after the 9/11 attacks. It describes how the Taliban converted its assets into gold bullion and distributed it throughout the world including the United States. Dubai is described as being a central clearing house for international financial transfers. Why? To quote the article, "It is no more lax and unregulated than many places. The answer is, Dubai is so damn convenient." But the article discusses how everyone from the Taliban to the CIA use Dubai's financial markets to funnel funds around the region. Sounds kind of like the Swiss banking system. The article goes on to say, "Since Sept. 11, U.S. officials said, the emirates have been much more cooperative on tracing suspect finances and last month enacted the most stringent money laundering laws in the region." So Dubai has a loose financial system used by everyone including our CIA to transfer money around the world to places including the United States. Does this prove the UAE supports Al Qaeda. Apparently not anymore than it supports the CIA.

Source 3. As I said before...see source 1.

Source 4. An NRO piece describing UAE support of Hamas through bogus charities. Again, this would be more of an issue if Europe wasn't doing the same thing. In fact, according to William Pope, a State Department anti-terrorism coordinator, Hamas and Hezbollah get "a considerable portion of their funding from Europe." And this article defines even more clearly how charities in Europe support exactly what your NRO article accuses the UAE of doing. Interestingly, it says nothing about the UAE. So with that in mind, do we really want condemn the UAE and ignore Europe?

Source 5. Pre 9/11 does nothing to prove the UAE currently supports Al Qaeda.

Source 6. The article snippet discusses the baby brother of a drug runner who the UAE arrested in 2002 and deported to Pakistan, and another drugrunner who was last seen in Atlanta, Georgia before getting arrested in Portugal. Are you kidding me? This proves what?!?

So let's repeat the point you think you've proved..."Many elements in their governments, not to mention the populace, of SA, and ALL Gulf States including UAE support Al Qaeda and terrorism." You have not offered a single bit of evidence that the UAE currently supports Al Qaeda. And the only evidence it supports terrorism puts it in exactly the same boat as Europe.

1,105 posted on 03/15/2006 9:18:00 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke

"And this article defines even more clearly how charities in Europe support exactly what your NRO article accuses the UAE of doing. Interestingly, it says nothing about the UAE. So with that in mind, do we really want condemn the UAE and ignore Europe?"

Your argument is ridiculous. The UAE knowingly wants to support HAMAS, Europe unwittingly does so at much smaller sums.

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On July 27, 2005, the Palestinian Information Center carried a public HAMAS statement thanking the UAE for it’s “unstinting support.” The statement said: “We highly appreciate his highness Sheikh Khalifa Bin Zayed Bin Sultan Al-Nahyan (UAE president) in particular and the UAE people and government in general for their limitless support…that contributed more to consolidating our people's resoluteness in the face of the Israeli occupation".



The HAMAS statement continued: "the sisterly UAE had… never hesitated in providing aid for our Mujahid people pertaining to rebuilding their houses demolished by the IOF… The UAE also spared no effort to offer financial and material aids to the Palestinian charitable societies." Indeed, as documented by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Center for Special Studies (C.S.S), HAMAS charitable societies,” are known as integral parts of the HAMAS infrastructure, and are outlawed by Israel and the U.S.



The HAMAS statement included a special tribute: "One can never forget the generous donations of the late Sheikh Zayed Bin Sultan,” the father of the current UAE president. Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan al Nahayan of Abu Dhabi, was the first Arab leader to understand the importance of waging economic Jihad against the West, and was the first to use oil as a political weapon following the Yom Kippur War in 1973. On the eve of the 1991 Gulf War he branded the United States “our number two enemy” after Israel.



The multi-billionaire Sheikh Zayed, was an early patron of the PLO, and from the 1970’s until his death in 2004, contributed millions of dollars to the terror agenda of the PLO, HAMAS and Islamic Jihad.



Human Appeal International, a UAE government-operated “charitable” organization, whose board includes the UAE president, funds HAMAS as well as other Palestinian organizations, “martyrs,” Palestinian terrorists in Israeli prisons and their families. The HAI’s modus operandi is to transfer money to the Palestinian Red Crescent Organization whose West Bank and Gaza branches are operated by HAMAS. They, in turn, distribute the money to HAMAS “charities.”



For example, according to the Orient Research Center in Toronto, Canada, the UAE “compensation” plan for the Palestinian intifada in 2001 included $3,000 for every Palestinian shaheed, $2,000 for his family, $1,500 for those detained by Israel, $1,200 for each orphan. In addition, families of those terrorists whose homes Israel demolished each received $10,000.



Also in 2001, in support of the martyr’s families in the Palestinian intifada, two telethons were organized in the UAE. “We Are All Palestinians” raised 135 million dirham, or $36.8 million, and “For Your Sake Palestine” raised 350 million dirham, or $95.3 million.



According to a detailed report on March 25, 2005, in the Palestinian daily Al Hayat al-Jadeeda, the UAE Friends Society transferred $475,000, through the UAE Red Crescent, to West Bank “charitable” organizations in Hebron, Jenin, Nablus and Tulkarem to distribute to the families of “martyrs,” orphans, imprisoned Palestinians and others.



The Palestinian newspaper Al-Ayyam reported on March 22, 2005, that in 2004 the UAE Red Crescent donated $2 million to HAMAS “charities” to be distributed to 3,158 terrorists’ orphans.



On February 15, 2005, the HAMAS website reported on funds transferred from HAI to two HAMAS front organizations in the West Bank, IQRA and Rifdah, which Israel had outlawed. And last July, Osama Zaki Muhammad Bashiti of Khan Younis in Gaza was arrested as he returned from the UAE, for often transferring funds of as much as $200,000 at a time to the Gaza HAMAS branch. The suicide bombing and attacks, including one mortar attack on Gush Katif, caused the death of 44 Israeli civilians and dozens of injuries.



The UAE support of HAMAS is in line with the agenda promoted by the late Sheikh Zayed. His Zayed Center for International Coordination and Followup, founded in 1999 as the official Arab League think-tank, was shuttered under international pressure in 2003. It championed Holocaust deniers like Thierry Meyssan and Roger Garaudy and provided a platform for anti-Western, anti-Christian and anti-Jewish extremists like Saudi economist Dr. Yussuf Abdallah Al Zamel, who blamed the war in Iraq on "radical Zionist and right-wing Christian" influence.



Although UAE foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan stated that the Emirates have been and remain a “strong ally of the U.S. in combating terrorism,” its continuing support of HAMAS and other Islamist organizations contradict his statement. This legitimately raises concerns about trusting U.S. ports to UAE management.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21413


1,112 posted on 03/16/2006 10:47:39 AM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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