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To: Rokke

"Now you are just flat out making things up. If your arguments were strong, you could support them with facts. Not fantasy."

Let's be clear here - neither of us till now has supported our statements with "facts." Now I have.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010392.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A22303-2002Feb16?language=printer

http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Al_Qaeda_bragged_of_infiltrating_Emirates_0302.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200603010741.asp

http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/mar/25osama.htm

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/160704.php

There are Islamists who support Al Qaeda in all Gulf states. You seem to misunderstand how this works. Why do you suppose SA and other Gulf countries support terror and Islamists throughout the world? Do you think Bin Laden is at war with the Gulf sheik supporters of the Chechnyan Jihad?

"The Royal family that runs Saudi Arabia is at war with Al Qaeda. That is a matter of fact. Bin Laden hates them. "

He only hates the ones who want to modernize. He has co-opted many Islamist sheiks in the Gulf states.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040101faessay83105/michael-scott-doran/the-saudi-paradox.html


1,067 posted on 03/15/2006 12:53:34 PM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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To: dervish
Ok, I'm running out of time here, but I did a quick skim through of your links. My summary...

Source 1. Al Qaeda claims a lot of things. Since when do we accept their claims as fact? The most important point from the Al Qaeda letter to the UAE is the fact that Al Qaeda is threatening the UAE for all the support the UAE has given the United States in the WOT. If anything, this Al Qaeda letter is evidence of why we should support the UAE.

Source 2. Written in 2002 and mostly talks about pre 9/11. Also, it discusses private companies. Not State Governments.

Source 3. See source 1.

Source 4. The EU supports Hamas. Should we cut trade with them?

Source 5. Pre 9/11.

Source 6. So are you saying organized crime is a problem unique to the UAE.

"There are Islamists who support Al Qaeda in all Gulf states."

There are Islamists who support Al Qaeda in every nation of the world, including this one.

"He only hates the ones who want to modernize."

He has declared Jihad on the whole Saudi royal family. And they have declared war on him. The fact remains, the reason they asked us to stop military operations out of Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with Bin Laden.

1,071 posted on 03/15/2006 1:11:43 PM PST by Rokke
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