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To: hosepipe
Obviously you're oblivious to the Qu'ran or Hadiths which are the source of the Qu'ran.. What I mean is, clueless, as to what those volumns specify..

First, part of what I'm trying to say is that there are Muslims who don't take the Hadiths to have the same authority as the the Quran. I know one. His wife doesn't wear a veil. His sense of what is or isn't halal isn't the same as many other Muslims. His son isn't circumcised. He votes libertarian. Muslims don't have to take the whole package any more than Jews need to stone homosexuals to death or Christians need to avoid divorce. No, the nutty Wahabists aren't happy about that but Orthodox Jews aren't particularly happy about how Reformed Jews interpret Judaism and Baptists usually aren't happy about how Catholics interpret Christianity.

Islam preaches and by the way practices for 1426 odd years now Charles Mansoneque social ordering.. Helter Skelter with a rag top.. The Persians in Persia and Copts in Egypt were and are being raped by Islam.. And they are just two in a long list of the abused people.. Islam is nasty.. even the of Islam is nasty..

Second, there were periods when Islam wasn't particular nasty and periods when Christianity and Judaism (particularly if you take the Old Testament as history) were. The Jew of the Old Testament practiced total war and genocide. How many wives and concubines did King Solomon have? As for Christians, have you ever read an account of the Rape of Constantinople? Here's a hint. It includes the rape of nuns on the alters of Orthodox churches. Let's not forget the pogroms against Jews (there is a reason why Jews are so touchy about things like The Passion), the way Christian Spaniards dealt with various non-Christian indiginous American peoples, and so forth. Muslims don't corner the market on barbarism and Christians have blood on their hands, too.

I don't think such violence is inherent in Christianity because plenty of people manage to be Christians without burning witches and killing Jews. Much of that came from other elements of European culture combined with some fairly mundane barbarism. The question is whether such violence is inherent in Islam rather than an artifact of barbarous elements of Arab culture combined with some more fairly mundane barbarism. There are plenty of peaceful Muslims out there so I don't think it's fair to say it is. Now before you start quoting the Quran or Hadiths at me, I'll simply point out that the personal faith that many people have, whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, Shinto, or whatever, often bears only a passing resemblance ot the orthodoxy that they identify with.

107 posted on 03/12/2006 7:37:25 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

Muslims don't have to take the whole package any more than Jews need to stone homosexuals to death or Christians need to avoid divorce..When was the last time you heard of Jews stoning homosexuals , and how many Catholics really avoid divorce ? Now , how many Moslems practice violence on a daily basis against non Moslems. Your logic and arguement is seriously flawed.Those who don't participate remain ,for the most part , silent. Their silence makes them accountable as well.


119 posted on 03/12/2006 9:02:36 PM PST by binkdeville
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