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God by the Numbers:
Coincidence, random mutation not most likely explanations for some things
Christianity Today ^
| 03/10/2006
| Charles Edward White
Posted on 03/11/2006 5:46:39 PM PST by Zender500
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; TaxRelief; RunningWolf
P.S. Even the 1997 poll is out-of-date, plus it doesn't show differences between creationists either. None of this is surprising coming from USAToday.
To: CarolinaGuitarman
####By a 4 to 1 margin, people who accept evolution believe that God directed it (theistic evolution).####
Then 80% of the people who believe in evolution actually believe in a form of intelligent design. Also, according to your poll, 40% of scientists agree with the statement, "Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation." Is that not a form of intelligent design?
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03/12/2006 1:28:35 PM PST
by
puroresu
(Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
To: truthfinder9
"Problem with that poll is that it doesn't recgonize that there are different kinds of "creationists."
The labels were not on the original survey. All the people had were the questions, which do not name the category that the question was later included in. 49% of those polled agreed with evolution. 39% believed God directed it; 10% said God didn't direct it. 4 to 1.
"In fact, many of the leaders in the design movement are this. But a lot has changed since that poll was taken (1991). Kind of old data to be still throwing it around, don't you think?"
There are two polls in the post I made, one from 1991, the other from 1997. There is no statistically significant change. Do you have any evidence that these positions have changed greatly? Also, I have seen similar polls from 2001 that had almost the exact same numbers.
"P.S. Even the 1997 poll is out-of-date, plus it doesn't show differences between creationists either. None of this is surprising coming from USAToday."
Sure it does. Again, all the people had were the questions. One says that God made Man as is about 10,000 years ago, though the question DOESN'T say that the Earth itself was made in the last 10,000 years. That 44% includes both old and young earth creationists. The next two questions specifically say that Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. Neither young or old earth creationists believe this.
Again, there is no reason to think that these numbers have changed much since '97; they really didn't change at all from '91 to '97. They would have to change almost 180 degrees for my contention that most people who accept evolution in the USA are Christian to be wrong.
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03/12/2006 1:41:06 PM PST
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CarolinaGuitarman
("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
To: puroresu
"Then 80% of the people who believe in evolution actually believe in a form of intelligent design."
They believe in theistic evolution. That ranges from God designed the universe to unfold through natural processes to be as we see it today, to God personally tinkers with the development of life at numerous stages. There is simply no way to know from this poll what the breakdown is.
Again, my contention was that most people who accept evolution in the USA are Christian. I am not claiming anything else, nor do I feel that polls are relevant in whether a theory is correct or not. Someone said that evolutionists are atheists, and I showed otherwise.
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03/12/2006 1:46:50 PM PST
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CarolinaGuitarman
("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
To: Lancey Howard; Zender500
WHY are there so many close, bang-bang plays at first base? Coincidence? I think not. Most certainly an adroit allusion to the Big Bang "in the big inning, when God created the heavens and the earth." As James Thurber noted, "You Could Look it Up [in Genesis]."
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03/14/2006 1:33:29 PM PST
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rhema
("Break the conventions, keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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