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To: Darnright
Ooops, I forgot!

Of course it's Bush's fault that they are not regarded as peaceful troubadours and thought the world of.

You know, I ofter wonder, how can these people call themselves Christians? HOW? The Old Testament is full of wars were evil is eliminated by war. It was God who directed these wars. The Jews were often outnumbered. The Judeo Christian God used war to rid the Jews of their enemies. If you don't evil will prevail.

It's just so frustrating from a Christian perspective and even from a secular perspective that common sense is mia. They should label themselves secular humanists because they certainly aren't Christians.
34 posted on 03/11/2006 9:05:10 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: nmh
You know, I ofter wonder, how can these people call themselves Christians? HOW? The Old Testament is full of wars were evil is eliminated by war. It was God who directed these wars.

I wonder the same thing. This week I've been reading some 'devotionals' from a pastor who would probably fit in well with these people. He's been receiving emails back describing the Old Testament wars you speak of. Here is part of his response:

"Earlier this week I heard from a reader (actually I have heard from several dozen readers every day) who wanted me to know that the biblical way to wage war was to utterly annihilate and completely destroy the enemy. He gave some Old Testament examples. They aren't hard to find. The one above from Joshua isn't unusual at all, arguing that God blessed Joshua's troops so they could kill 12,000 men and women but save the livestock and whatever else they found valuable as booty.

I wrote back. (I normally answer all emails but haven't even tried given the deluge I've received this week) I challenged him with the words of Jesus that we are called to love our enemy and pray for those who persecute us. He wasn't convinced. Oh well, at least we're talking.

My point wasn't to win an argument. That part is irrelevant to me. The point, as it always is, is to grapple with the faith. To wrestle with the Bible until, like the angel in the wilderness with Isaac, God gives us a blessing. The war in Iraq is but one example where people of faith, people of all faiths for that matter, are forced to struggle with faithful ideals and physical raw deals."

It is next to impossible to speak reason with people like this.

42 posted on 03/11/2006 9:31:31 AM PST by American72 (Sick of Democrats)
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To: nmh
>It's just so frustrating from a Christian perspective and even from a secular perspective that common sense is mia.<

You bring up a good point. If these so-called non-violent people were truly sincere, why do they not call on the jehadi to renounce violence? Why to they always go over to Palestine, or Iraq, etc., and bash the USA, as the origin of the violence and of the war?

They don't do so, because they know that, after the terrorists stopped laughing, they'd pick up their swords and lop the anti-war protesters' heads off.
48 posted on 03/11/2006 1:03:58 PM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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