Posted on 03/10/2006 8:43:53 PM PST by Samwise
Several Martinsville High School students say teachers stopped their calls to 911 while a fellow student was choking, because cell phones aren't allowed on campus.
Witnesses tell police the victim was rushing to finish his lunch before leaving the cafeteria, because you can't bring food outside. That's when they say he started choking, went into cardiac arrest, and died at the hospital.
Multiple 911 calls went out from Martinsville High School.
Witnesses say Jesse Tucker choked on a hamburger. Paramedics rushed the 15 year-old freshman to the hospital, where he later died.
"It's really hard to grasp the fact that you witnessed someone's death," says one student, "It's really hard to take in."
24 Hour News 8 spoke to another student witness who also wants to remain anonymous. He says one of his friends tried to call 911 with his cell phone, but just as he reached an operator, he says a teacher closed his phone saying cell phones aren't allowed on campus.
"She just closed his phone. She didn't do much to help the situation. She was panicky, she didn't go to the nurse's office," says one of the students.
Martinsville Police Chief Frans Hollanders says the investigation is still in preliminary stages, and at this point, investigators aren't pointing fingers.
"We've heard rumors to such an effect, that a cell phone was slapped out of a kids hand," Hollanders says, "We haven't been able to determine that at all whatsoever."
School officicals wouldn't talk on camera, but we caught up with an assistant superintendent and he issued this statement, "We are still in shock. We do believe the teacher did everything she could in the situation."
The police chief is encouraging witnesses to share their stories with investigators.
24 Hour News 8 did speak to Jesse's father Friday night. Understandably, he says he's still in shock and just wants to know exactly what happened.
An autopsy is scheduled for Saturday morning.
I agree, you were out of bounds with SD. I don't go around saying people are distorters of truth because they miss a detail or two and admit it later. I think the point SD made is valid no matter if the details are as you say. But you shouldnt say people distort the truth like you keep insisting. It makes YOU look bad.
IMHO also
Sorry, but you are wrong.
Again, the decision to suspend or not is irrelevant and not the discussion at hand.
SD posted inaccurate information.
I called her on it, rather politely even.
She was wrong, but rather than admit it, or just ignore it, she accepts a conditional apology from me even though the conditions of the apology were not met. (I consider this very rude and of very poor form).
I point out her errors and now I am accused of injuring her good name.
Why won't you defend my name? I never called her a liar as you claim. Show me where or when I claimed she was lying. Instead, I assumed she was in error and provided her a means to correct the error. For this I am attacked.
Woe that I should suffer the arrows of injustice for so valiant a cause.
My point is: this was a simple matter that SD decided to escalate.
She was wrong when she posted the information and wrong when she attempted to accept my conditional apology.
Read 277 and 278, then try again.
You said this: "Although I love Freerepublic, I hate when people distort a story to try and make a point."
and
"He or she intentionally implied that a small child brought a small key chain to school and was suspended for it in an attempt to bolster his or her claims that public school officials are incompetent.
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There you go. I'm tired of wasting my time with you too. You are unreasonable and wrong. And you are making a fool of yourself in front of whoever might be reading this thread. I'm outta here.
I never claimed SD was a liar. Rather I pointed out what she did.
I hate when people distort a story to try and make a point."
She distorted information to make a point. It was an intentional distortion cause even when shown she was in error she stuck to her inaccurate claim.
He or she intentionally implied that a small child brought a small key chain to school and was suspended for it in an attempt to bolster his or her claims that public school officials are incompetent.
Completely accurate statement.
Anyone who believes a childish pink velcro wallet, absurd little chain, and yellow rubber cartoon bird keyring qualifies as a weapon....has some serious screws loose upstairs.
Have no fear, we'll soon see it somehow being compared to the medieval spiked mace illustrated above. Because they're so darn similar, don't you know.
~ Blue Jays ~
How are you going to kill someone with that chain? Strangle them? Flail them?
In my school in holland some boys tended to bring knives at school and show them off, like 'i got a bigger knive then you' :).
I don't remember any teacher having problems with that or a student assaulting another with a knive on that school.
I heard violence is more common on the lower class schools though, but assault is the least of the problems there..
Anything goes in those places, there are even stories of female 'students' as prostitutes... I guess no country is perfect.
SD claimed a 1st grader took a tiny key chain to school and was suspended for it.
I didn't believe her and politely called her on it.
It was shown she was wrong. It wasn't a first grader and it wasn't a tiny keychain.
It was a 6th grader and it was a 10 inch chain.
Now let's see if you can get more than two brain cells working at the same time and answer these questions.
1. Was SD description of the incident accurate? Was a 1st grader kicked out of school for having a tiny Tweety Bird Key chain?
Or
2. Am I correct that there was more to the story and important relevant facts, i.e. the size of the chain, were left out?
Are you all really this dense?. Can you only see you desired result?
I am not arguing whether the child should have been suspended or not. I am not arguing whether the item is a weapon or not.
SD rudely accepted an apology she didn't rate and now you are too dumb to read and comprehend the post concerning the discussion.
One final question: What is your reasoning for continuing to drag this on? Why can’t you just accept that SD was inaccurate and she wrongly accept an apology she didn’t deserve?
Why are you responding to my post#289 above? You weren't pinged to it, so I'm assuming you have a guilty conscience?
~ Blue Jays ~
I replying because you obviously meant to suggest that I felt the 10 inch chain was a weapon and you were attempting to have a laugh on me.
Next time, just have the guts and ping me.
But the question goes for you too:
Was SD accurate in saying a 1st grader was suspended for bring a tiny TweetyBird keychain to school or were there significant differences in her story (a 6th grader vice a 1st grader and a 10 inch chain vice a tiny keychain) from the actual facts?
Will you answer that or will you attempt to attack my good name again by suggesting I believe something I don't?
No, I'll just tell you that you're getting dizzy by obsessively chasing your tail around and around in circles. Get a grip on yourself and stop calling a pink velcro wallet, costume jewelry chain, and rubber TweetyBird keyring a weapon.
The rest of us clearly don't care whether it is being "wielded" by a first grader, a sixth grader, or Chuck Norris himself. It's a little girl's toy.
~ Blue Jays ~
Completely irrelevent. Whether it is a weapon or a toy is not in question.
Just answer the question:
Was a 1st grader suspended for bringing a TweetyBird key chain to school as SD claimed or was a 6th grader suspended for bringing a 10 inch chain to school?
It doesn't matter if the suspension was justified!
lol
Im not rebuting that she was wrong, chances are good that she didnt evilly intended to mislead you but just remembered wrong. I just pointed to the FACT that indespite of details, the MESSAGE she was trying to relay remains valid: a student shouldn't get expelled for a freakin chain. Then you might as well cuff students to prevent them from using their fists.
You're 100% correct that people don't have perfect memories. I am getting a good laugh out of this thread!
~ Blue Jays ~
"...Was a 1st grader suspended for bringing a TweetyBird key chain to school as SD claimed or was a 6th grader suspended for bringing a 10 inch chain to school?..."
Yes, a young child incorrectly got in trouble at school for bringing a costume jewelry toy to the classroom that was somehow classified as a weapon.
~ Blue Jays ~
And in there lies the rub. She was shown to be wrong and rather than admit her error, she attempts to take a conditional appolgy. Sorry, she should have said something like, "Yeah, I suppose my details were off, but my piont was ..." or some other tripe, not suggest I was wrong by accepting a conditional appolgy.
Hi Blue Jays!
That chain incident reminds me of the fact that even though (almost?) all airliners prevent you to board with even a nailclipper, many provide you with shairp pointy METAL KNIVES in first class!
Like, they reason, terrorists can't pay for 1st class.
Or whoever does catering isn't being payed by the same person that does security. O well, at least they don't allow you to buy tax-free loaded firearms on board.
Cute, but you didn't answer the question.
Just admit, I was right to not believe the BS SD was peddling and you refuse to acknowledge that SD was wrong.
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