[John Valentine]

Amazing.

You post references that directly and explicitly back up every single point I have made, then pronounce me wrong.

As I have said, it must be wonderful to possess a mind that can entertain 20 dinstinct and mutually exclusive ideas at once without pausing for so much as a breath.

So, let me ask you this: If our government was set up with the purpose of protecting individual rights (or liberty as your references suggest), then why was it necessary to add provisions to protect these very rights from the government itself?

Dwell on that for a while, my socialist friend.

[hedgetrimmer]

Dwell on that for a while, my socialist friend.

Your claim was that our government was NOT created to protect individual rights and you are wrong. The socilists are the "free traders" btw. In fact a french socialist, Pascal Lamy, is head of the WTO. If socialism were so incompatible with "free trade" there would not be any socialists in the WTO, or communists for that matter.

[hedgetrimmer]

If our government was set up with the purpose of protecting individual rights (or liberty as your references suggest), then why was it necessary to add provisions to protect these very rights from the government itself?

NO government, not our government, not ANY government, from the beginning of time, was ever established to protect individual liberty. --John Valentine