[hedgetrimmer]

Just one point. NO government, not our government, not ANY government, from the beginning of time, was ever established to protect individual liberty.

I said individual RIGHTS.

Which shows, YOUR errors of thought just go on compounding from there, without restraint or constraint, leading you to horrible errors of logic, leading you to insupportable conclusions, and to the deluded beleif that you are espousing conservative values when nothing could be further from the truth.

[John Valentine]

Change "liberty" to "rights" and I stand on what I said.

Either way.