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U.S. bishops issue strong retort to Catholic Democrats' conscience statement
Our Sunday Visitor ^ | 03.26.06 | Gerry Korson

Posted on 03/10/2006 4:41:55 PM PST by Coleus

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To: BlackElk

The Catholic Church is absolutely judged amongst the non Catholics by its members and their behaviours - especially those behaviours at apparent odds with its teachings.

One thing that really needs emphasizing is that the Church doesn't excommunicate members. It only confirms that individuals have excommunicated themselves. And that public confirmation needs to be performed more vigourously on deserving individuals that in public champion and support, with legislation and government funds, immoral (based upon Biblical principles) acts and practices.


41 posted on 03/11/2006 7:40:12 AM PST by MarkBsnr (When you believe in nothing, then everything is acceptable.)
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To: don-o
??? What? That is quite clear.

What IS clear IS: Don't do as WE do but do as WE say do!

42 posted on 03/11/2006 10:51:24 AM PST by VOYAGER
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To: johniegrad

Amen.They have a great amount authority and with that comes responsibility.


43 posted on 03/11/2006 11:46:39 AM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: jmaroneps37

Just like those who want to be Catholic to receive the Catholic vote and then turn their face and vote with what I consider the antiwoman and antichild crowd they are the very ones of which Jesus said I will vomit you out. And the Bishops who are to shepherd these sheep need to be there in making sure they fully understand the absolute evil of abortion and the risk of their souls in support of it.


44 posted on 03/11/2006 11:57:21 AM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: MarkBsnr

Agreed.


45 posted on 03/11/2006 2:29:39 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: jmaroneps37

Very interesting! First time I heard of CAK...can you branch out to CAD? (Catholics Against Democrats)


46 posted on 03/11/2006 6:48:42 PM PST by baa39
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To: BlackElk

"There is a lot of the love of Jesus Christ going on out there without government subsidy."

And that's truly good news. I hadn't heard about those specific ministries in CT.


47 posted on 03/11/2006 7:52:31 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Cicero

The bishops are gradually coming around, I think. >>>

let's hope, but I doubt it. the bishops were pushed into a corner and had to say something this time.


48 posted on 03/11/2006 8:11:15 PM PST by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy & his nephew doing on Good Friday, 1991? Getting drunk and raping women)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
These 55 are NOT Catholics. They are excommunicated...These politicians DO THE KILLING with their own votes. THEY are responsible for the HOLOCAUST.

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=32830

49 posted on 03/11/2006 9:35:56 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: right-wingin_It
Here is another article on how pro-choice politicians are excommunicated. (The person posting this blog entry for the magazine's blog is the author of the 1/17/06 WORLD story it refers to)...
January 09, 2004

Pro-abort politicians excommunicated

The new Roe v. Wade anniversary issue of WORLD details how church-discipline is being contemplated for politicians in pro-life churches who support the killing of the unborn. The Roman Catholic bishop of La Crosse, Wisconsin, Raymond Burke, had issued stern warnings to two state legislators and one U.S. Congressman in his jurisdiction. Now he has taken the next step: They are excommunicated.

After the politicians spurned his pastoral letters and indignantly refused to meet with him, going public with the private exchange so as to create a media outcry, the bishop issued a binding decree, this time to all priests under his authority:

Catholic legislators who are members of the faithful of the diocenses of La Crosse and who continue to support procured abortion or euthanasia may not present themselves to receive Holy Communion. They are not to be admitted to Holy Communion, should they present themselves, until such time as they publicly renounce their support of these most unjust practices

"This is the first time this has ever happened in the history of the pro-life movement," said Judie Brown, president of the American Life League. Other Catholic pro-abortion activists have been disciplined, but never elected officials.

La Crosse is a small province, but the scope will soon get bigger. On January 26, Bishop Burke will be installed as the Archbishop of St. Louis, a far more powerful office in a region that has far more pro-abortion politicians. Posted by Veith at January 9, 2004 07:58 AM

More from the article...

Bishop Burke told a reporter that if the politicians did not change their pattern of voting, "I would simply have to ask them not to present themselves to receive the sacraments because they would not be Catholics in good standing."

This would be "self-excommunication." The step after that, presumably, according to historic Catholic practice, would be the formal rite of excommunication, in which the person would be ritually cast out of the church.


50 posted on 03/11/2006 10:31:38 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: Mrs. Don-o

oops..."Mrs. Don-o"? Ahh..nevermind the last post cause its something you already know, haha:)


51 posted on 03/11/2006 10:54:45 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: right-wingin_It
Well, in any case, there's nothing more serious than mortal sin, which --- if we could see it --- is a horror more repulsive and more hideous than anything humanly imaginable. To face Divine Judgment in such a state is frightful.

Pray for the grace of repentance.

52 posted on 03/12/2006 4:11:00 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. --prayer of Angel of Fatima)
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To: Coleus

" ...the right to live that is inherent in all human beings and that grounds every other right we possess.”"

why is that concept so difficult to grasp?

Why is the "inalienable right to life, liberty, ..." just so difficult to understand?



53 posted on 03/12/2006 4:35:01 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

Bill Pascrell was on Religion On The Line yesterday.(WABC Radio) saying how he has sturggled with the issues and came about his decisions in good faith.
Here is his voting record for just some of the issues in three years. All I can say he he sould stop trying to be a "practicing" Catholic and become one.

Representative Bill Pascrell

Fetal Protection. HR 1997 (Roll Call 31 ) This bill made it a criminal offense to injure or kill a fetus during the commission of a violent crime. The bill was passed (254-163) ACU supported this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position

International Abortions. HR 1950 (Roll Call 362 This bill would maintain the long-standing ban on using taxpayer funds for international population organizations that promote abortion. ACU supported this amendment. It was adopted 216-211 on 15 July 2003. The bill was passed (216-211) ACU supported this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position

Military Abortions. HR 1588 (Roll Call 215) The House defeated this measure to allow abortions to be performed in U.S. military hospitals at taxpayers expense. ACU opposed the amendment. It was defeated 201-227 on 22 May 2003. The bill was defeated (201-227) ACU opposed this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position

Ban on Human Cloning. HR 534 (Roll Call 37) This "compromise" amendment would have allowed cloning of human embryos to initiate a pregnancy. ACU opposed the amendment. It was rejected174-231 on 27 February 2003. The bill was defeated (174-231) ACU opposed this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position

Pledge of Allegiance. HR 2028 (Roll Call 467) The House passed legislation preventing most federal courts from hearing cases challenging the constitutionality of the Pledge of Allegiance. The bill was passed (247-173) ACU supported this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position

'Marriage Penalty' Relief. HR 4181 (Roll Call 138) This bill permanently eliminated provisions in the tax code penalizing two-income couples who marry. The bill was passed (323-95) ACU supported this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position

Court Review of Defense of Marriage Act. HR 3313 (Roll Call 410) The House passed legislation prohibiting the courts from reviewing a provision of the 1996 "Defense of Marriage Act" that allows states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriage licenses issued in other states or jurisdictions. The bill was passed (233-194) ACU supported this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position

Partial-Birth Abortion Ban. HR 4965 (Roll Call 343) The bill would ban the grisly abortion procedure known as "partial-birth abortion." ACU opposes this method of abortion and supported the bill, which passed by a vote of 275-151 on 24 July 2002. The bill was passed (275-151) ACU supported this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position

"Partial-Birth" Abortion Ban. S. 3 (Roll Call 530) This bill would ban "partial-birth" abortion, a procedure in which the baby is almost completely delivered, then killed. ACU supported the bill. It passed 281-142 on 2 October 2003. The bill was passed (281-142) ACU supported this bill This member voted in support of ACU's position

Religious Freedom. HR 2357 (Roll Call 429) The bill would restore the right of tax-exempt religious organizations to participate in politics, so long as such participation is not a "substantial part" of their work. ACU supported this effort to loosen government control over churches, but the bill The bill was defeated (178-239) ACU supported this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position

Fetal Protection HR 503 (Roll Call Vote No. 89 ) Passage of a bill making it a criminal offense to injure or kill a fetus during the commission of a violent crime. This bill excludes consensual abortion and the death penalty could not be imposed under the bill. The bill was defeated (252-172) ACU supported this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position

Family Planning Funding HR 1646 (Roll Call Vote No. 115 ) Hyde (R-IL) amdnement to the State Department Bill maintaining President George W. Bush's restrictions on funding for international family planning groups that provide abortion services, counseling or advocacy The bill was passed (218-210) ACU supported this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position

School Vouchers HR 1646 (Roll Call Vote No. 135 ) Armey (R-TX) amdnement to the Education Bill that would provide scholarships for students from consistently low-performing of dangerous schools. Scholarships could be used at private, including religious schools. The bill was defeated (155-273) ACU supported this bill This member voted in opposition to ACU's position


54 posted on 03/12/2006 4:40:31 AM PST by mware (A teacher of geography.)
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To: mware

but, mware, it's all about choice! Pascrell's choice is between the ACU and NOW. The latter wins every time. Really simple, isn't it ?


55 posted on 03/12/2006 5:29:53 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA
As easy as PI.

Hey how ya doing ED???

Next year during CPAC maybe we can touch bases. If you are a SNOWFLAKE maybe we can drop by with Tiredoflaundrey and visit Tony Snow.

56 posted on 03/12/2006 5:35:18 AM PST by mware (A teacher of geography.)
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To: Coleus

bttt


57 posted on 03/12/2006 5:50:57 AM PST by I_be_tc
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To: mware

would LOVE to see you at the next CPAC, and I just adore Tony Snow, so that would be great ... when you get your plans made, you can FReepmail me and we can work out details. btw, your new tagline makes me chuckle!


58 posted on 03/12/2006 6:51:07 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Coleus

Bump for later.


59 posted on 03/12/2006 7:43:12 AM PST by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: Coleus

The bishops do know I hope that their statement/response is "talking to the hand"..


60 posted on 03/12/2006 7:47:33 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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