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Arabs drop ports deal; S. Fla. firm in running [Eller]
Miami Herald ^ | 03/10/06 | JAMES KUHNHENN AND STEVE HARRISON

Posted on 03/10/2006 2:06:13 PM PST by syriacus

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To: 308MBR
That ought to set off the Bushbots.

Yup. If that don't do it...nothing will. :-)

41 posted on 03/10/2006 3:02:36 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: syriacus
Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, said he didn't intend to remove the ports provision from an emergency spending bill for hurricane relief and the war in Iraq.

Is this guy some sort of comedian?

42 posted on 03/10/2006 3:02:47 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: RegulatorCountry
What? But, but, but ... there are absolutely no American companies that can do this sort of thing. None whatsoever. I was repeatedly assured of this "fact" by supporters of the DP World deal, so this just can't be true.

No, the issue is that no American company had the resources to buy out P&O, or the ones that did have the resources didn't think it was a good deal. If you read carefully, these American companies, especially Eller, are banking on being able to buy these leases at large discounts, now that DPW can't operate the terminals themselves.

Think of this as Congress condemning these leases under international "eminent domain," in order to profit private businesses in their districts... Strangely, most everyone here condemned the Kelo decision, but we have just seen Kelo implemented on the international scale.

43 posted on 03/10/2006 3:03:51 PM PST by CA Conservative
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To: Republican Red

Do you think they've got the cash to buy out DP Worlds American contracts? I've heard quotes of 700 million....


44 posted on 03/10/2006 3:04:51 PM PST by jess35
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To: RegulatorCountry
The day that union thugs and mobsters start flying planes into office buildings and plotting to nuke a US city or two, you'll have a point, and I will concede. Until then, you don't.

*snicker* How very right you are.

45 posted on 03/10/2006 3:04:56 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Dane

"And get back to me when those same union thugs provide essential logistical support for the US Navy and US Armed services on the WOT that the UAE has."

Always back to a quid pro quo. I am certain that there are other ways to demonstrate our gratitude. The public uproar could have easily been anticipated by anyone who actually mingles with the general public here in the US for any length of time. Perhaps that is beneath every single person involved in this decision, as well as President Bush himself. But, I see no advantage in permitting that perception to gain currency; there is only downside, as his father discovered in his time.


46 posted on 03/10/2006 3:06:44 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Always back to a quid pro quo. I am certain that there are other ways to demonstrate our gratitude. The public uproar could have easily been anticipated by anyone who actually mingles with the general public here in the US for any length of time. Perhaps that is beneath every single person involved in this decision, as well as President Bush himself. But, I see no advantage in permitting that perception to gain currency; there is only downside, as his father discovered in his time

What quid pro quo? DPWorld legitmately bought out P&O. It was an above board old fashioned business acquisition and the P&O shareholders accepted DPWorld's offer.

Unfortunaetly, with DPWorld playing by the rules, they got caught up in the ugliest corrupt crony DNC capitalism this country has seen in a long time.

47 posted on 03/10/2006 3:10:14 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: pbrown

There are no American companies that could compete on the scale of DP World. I don't recall anyone saying Americans were incapable of managing a terminal in a port. There just aren't any companies who operate on the same scale. The operators eyeballing DP World's American contracts are going to be in for a rude awakening if they think they're going to get a good deal on this. DP World has already announced they will not sell at a loss.


48 posted on 03/10/2006 3:11:21 PM PST by jess35
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To: RegulatorCountry
You're right, so apparently that's not the reason but I still don't think they'll keep it long or will be out of business soon. I couldn't afford to pay Dr's wages for LSM.
49 posted on 03/10/2006 3:11:23 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: jess35
What? But, but, but ... there are absolutely no American companies that can do this sort of thing.

managing a terminal

Ahhh, you're playing at word games.

50 posted on 03/10/2006 3:15:23 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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"Strangely, most everyone here condemned the Kelo decision, but we have just seen Kelo implemented on the international scale."

It's a stretch to drag Kelo into a business lease, don't you think?


51 posted on 03/10/2006 3:15:37 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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"I don't recall anyone saying Americans were incapable of managing a terminal in a port."

I do, I do!


52 posted on 03/10/2006 3:16:46 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Wasanother

"I couldn't afford to pay Dr's wages for LSM."

They're already doing so, or else they've managed to elude the union with their existing terminal lease agreements. Sounds doubtful to me.


53 posted on 03/10/2006 3:22:51 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
It's a stretch to drag Kelo into a business lease, don't you think?

No, I do not. What does eminent domain do? It forces someone to sell a valuable asset, usually at less than market value, and without regard to the return the owner would receive if allowed to keep the asset. Under the Kelo decision, that power can be used to transfer the property (asset) to another private individual or company, enabling them to profit at the expense of the former owner. In this case, Congress is condemning the leases owned by DPW, and forcing them to sell them to another company, probably at a loss. This will allow the new owners of the leases to make a profit at the expense of the former owner.

BTW, the US companies currently under consideration are all big Dem contributors; is it any surprise that Schumer and company supported this?

Where do you see the difference?

54 posted on 03/10/2006 3:24:39 PM PST by CA Conservative
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"Where do you see the difference?"

They're leasing property that is already public, ergo to cite Kelo (governmental seizure of private property for public benefit via eminent domain) is more than a stretch. It just does not apply.


55 posted on 03/10/2006 3:27:27 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Sorry, the priciple is the same - taking something of value from the rightful owner, and giving it to someone else.


56 posted on 03/10/2006 3:31:38 PM PST by CA Conservative
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To: RegulatorCountry
I understand that the price offered by DP World, reportedly $6.8 billion, so far outstripped anything anybody else was willing to pay, or even though could be made profitable, that everyo

PSA (A Singapore company) got into the bidding at the last minute, but lost out.

P&O sale threatens foreign monopoly over UK ports · Singapore-China alliance stands to gain 90% control

Concern was growing last night over the sale of P&O, amid claims that a possible takeover by Singapore's state-owned ports business (PSA) would hand it and its Chinese allies an effective monopoly over Britain's container ports.

Martin O'Neil, former chairman of the trade and industry select committee, said yesterday that he was concerned that the Singaporean group, PSA, and its strategic partners could gain control of more than 90% of Britain's deep-sea container docks. "


57 posted on 03/10/2006 3:32:35 PM PST by syriacus (The stench of hypocrisy hangs heavy. Beijing smugglers can run our terminals, but Dubai can't)
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To: 308MBR
I knew there were a few American companies fully capable of operating a port terminals.

Which ones currently do it without collaborating with foreign companies?

58 posted on 03/10/2006 3:35:23 PM PST by syriacus (The stench of hypocrisy hangs heavy. Beijing smugglers can run our terminals, but Dubai can't)
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To: Wasanother

Schumer, Clinton and King need to hear this; the LSM are not the only unintended consequences this is going to create.............


59 posted on 03/10/2006 3:37:47 PM PST by yoe ("If the enemy is in range, so are you.")
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To: syriacus

None of them because we have let foreign companies run so many terminals.

I bet Fed Ex could run them just fine, with no union. UPS could do it better than any and keep the union.

Personally, I can't figure out why some intermodal transport company doesn't step up and take a few terminals. They have the trucks, jets and rails now, and adding ocean freight would complete the picture.


60 posted on 03/10/2006 3:38:47 PM PST by 308MBR ("Ah fell in ta a bhurnin' ring o' far")
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