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To: Toddsterpatriot; LowCountryJoe
So lets see, all the countries of the world running trade surpluses are wrong.

All the business/politicians from the founding fathers to Ronald Reagan tried to avoid trade deficits. Both they were wrong too.

Sorry, but all these people are right. Massive trade deficits hurt the country as whole, drive down the value of the currency, and transfer control of the economy to foreigners. The Chinese, for example, could tomorrow sell their dollars, cause its value collapse, resulting in massive inflation and increased interest rates.

I don't think increasing foreign control of our economy is a good thing. As someone else stated, this country gets limited benefits from these one sided trade deals. The transfer of economic sovereignty to others and/or international organizations is the reason the liberals support it.
282 posted on 03/12/2006 11:03:35 AM PST by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: rcocean
The Chinese, for example, could tomorrow sell their dollars, cause its value collapse, resulting in massive inflation and increased interest rates.

They've already turned in their dollars for Treasury bonds. If they go to sell, they put selling pressure on these bonds, lowering the price of their remaining assets and raising the yield on the bonds being sold and any bonds that will be issued in the future...this further erodes the value of their currently owned bonds because any new money going to purchase bonds will go to buy the newer, higher yielding ones. They'd be taking a bath because the terms on their currently held bonds do not change with the conditions of the market. Nice try though for someone with little understanding of the process. At least you knew that interest rates would rise but you probably did not really know why they would.

I don't think increasing foreign control of our economy is a good thing.

Well, there is one thing that you pro labor types might like about foreign ownership of production plants and the like: they generally pay wages above that which American owned firms do.

Myth #6: Outsourcing is a one-way street.

Fact: Outsourcing is a two-way street.

There are currently 6.4 million jobs in the U.S. in which the employer is a foreign company. The rate at which these “insourced” jobs are growing is faster that the rate at which jobs in general are being lost. According to the Organisation for International Investment (OFII), “Over the last 15 years, manufacturing ‘insourced’ jobs grew by 82%—at an annual rate of 5.5%; and manufacturing ‘outsourced’ jobs grew by 23 percent—at an annual rate of 1.5%.”[18]

Moreover, insourced jobs are often higher paying than those that are outsourced—e.g., the 4,300 workers at the BMW factory in South Carolina and the more than 14,000 employed at Honda plants in Ohio. Senator Mitch McConnell (R–KY) brought these facts to the Senate floor on March 4, citing data from the OFII and pointing out that every state has thousands of insourced workers. Michigan has 244,200. Ohio has 242,200. Even Idaho has 13,900 insourced jobs.[19] ~ Source, the Heritage Foundation (hint: not at all liberal today's 'progressive' sense)

Indeed, the sky is falling.

287 posted on 03/12/2006 11:29:09 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: rcocean

Hey, did you read the second link that I provided in that earlier post? I can help you with some of the bigger words and concept...all you have to do is just ask.


290 posted on 03/12/2006 11:35:58 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: rcocean
So lets see, all the countries of the world running trade surpluses are wrong.

Where did I say that? Germany has a trade surplus. Does that mean their economy is better than ours?

Massive trade deficits hurt the country as whole, drive down the value of the currency, and transfer control of the economy to foreigners.

How do trade deficits drive down our currency? Last year we had a record deficit, but our currency got stronger against the Yen and the Euro. Maybe you're wrong? And how exactly do foreigners control our economy?

The Chinese, for example, could tomorrow sell their dollars, cause its value collapse

The Chinese hold about $250 billion in US treasuries. Selling those dollars would hardly cause a collapse of the dollar.

resulting in massive inflation and increased interest rates.

Hmmmmm....if selling would cause higher rates and more inflation, buying must have caused lower rates and lower inflation. Now, were you telling us why foreigners were bad for our economy?

325 posted on 03/12/2006 5:08:51 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot ( Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.)
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To: rcocean
All the business/politicians from the founding fathers to Ronald Reagan tried to avoid trade deficits. Both they were wrong too.

The deficient compared as a percentage of GDP is less than half of what it was Reagan.

367 posted on 03/12/2006 8:10:39 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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