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The New Protectionists
opinionjournal ^ | March 10, 2006 | WSJ

Posted on 03/10/2006 12:33:17 PM PST by groanup

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To: groanup
Meanwhile, the interdependence that comes with foreign investment also gives those investors a stake in both American success and security.

So now you can see where globalism is leading us. A significant purpose of globalization is to dismantle those uppity colonies who threw out the British monarchy in a bid for INDEPENDENCE which became the seminal document of our founding. In fact the colonists made clear their purpose with the Declaration of Independence. Now the "free traitors" are in a full on media assault, insinuating that PROTECTING OUR INDEPENDENCE is a bad thing, by calling loyal Americans protectionist. What we are witnessing is the attempt to overthrow our INDEPENDENT government and enmesh us in global dependencies so deep that the Republic will be destroyed not only in our government but in our domestic economy if we attempt to remove ourselves. "Free trade" and the Dubai ports deal means dependence not only on monarchist rulers, but dependence on every manner of communist, socialist and totalitarian dictator that cares to sign a "free trade" agreement with us. Allowing foreign ownership of everything that helps America keep its vow of independence, undermines our INDEPENDENCE and is destroying our beautiful Republic.
281 posted on 03/12/2006 10:55:39 AM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; LowCountryJoe
So lets see, all the countries of the world running trade surpluses are wrong.

All the business/politicians from the founding fathers to Ronald Reagan tried to avoid trade deficits. Both they were wrong too.

Sorry, but all these people are right. Massive trade deficits hurt the country as whole, drive down the value of the currency, and transfer control of the economy to foreigners. The Chinese, for example, could tomorrow sell their dollars, cause its value collapse, resulting in massive inflation and increased interest rates.

I don't think increasing foreign control of our economy is a good thing. As someone else stated, this country gets limited benefits from these one sided trade deals. The transfer of economic sovereignty to others and/or international organizations is the reason the liberals support it.
282 posted on 03/12/2006 11:03:35 AM PST by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: hedgetrimmer
A significant purpose of globalization is to dismantle those uppity colonies who threw out the British monarchy in a bid for INDEPENDENCE which became the seminal document of our founding.

I think it's probably easier to call the British Empire "globalist" in nature than the other way around.

283 posted on 03/12/2006 11:08:58 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: hedgetrimmer
Ever read Covey? Interdependence is a higher state than is independence and cannot be achieved unless there's independence. You are interdependent on your fellow American for what you consume on an every day basis. But I'm guessing that it's something else between you and those 'damned' foreigners...skin color, language, and cultural differences I'm guessing?
284 posted on 03/12/2006 11:10:10 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: LowCountryJoe
skin color, language, and cultural differences I'm guessing?

Unable to support the corrupt political philosophy of globalism, the globalist pulls out the only tool he has, invective, and applies the race card with it.
285 posted on 03/12/2006 11:20:04 AM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: LowCountryJoe
Interdependent means mutually dependent.

Interdependence is a higher state than is independence

Uh huh. I am sure the Founders would PROFOUNDLY disagree with this little bit of illogic.
286 posted on 03/12/2006 11:22:48 AM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: rcocean
The Chinese, for example, could tomorrow sell their dollars, cause its value collapse, resulting in massive inflation and increased interest rates.

They've already turned in their dollars for Treasury bonds. If they go to sell, they put selling pressure on these bonds, lowering the price of their remaining assets and raising the yield on the bonds being sold and any bonds that will be issued in the future...this further erodes the value of their currently owned bonds because any new money going to purchase bonds will go to buy the newer, higher yielding ones. They'd be taking a bath because the terms on their currently held bonds do not change with the conditions of the market. Nice try though for someone with little understanding of the process. At least you knew that interest rates would rise but you probably did not really know why they would.

I don't think increasing foreign control of our economy is a good thing.

Well, there is one thing that you pro labor types might like about foreign ownership of production plants and the like: they generally pay wages above that which American owned firms do.

Myth #6: Outsourcing is a one-way street.

Fact: Outsourcing is a two-way street.

There are currently 6.4 million jobs in the U.S. in which the employer is a foreign company. The rate at which these “insourced” jobs are growing is faster that the rate at which jobs in general are being lost. According to the Organisation for International Investment (OFII), “Over the last 15 years, manufacturing ‘insourced’ jobs grew by 82%—at an annual rate of 5.5%; and manufacturing ‘outsourced’ jobs grew by 23 percent—at an annual rate of 1.5%.”[18]

Moreover, insourced jobs are often higher paying than those that are outsourced—e.g., the 4,300 workers at the BMW factory in South Carolina and the more than 14,000 employed at Honda plants in Ohio. Senator Mitch McConnell (R–KY) brought these facts to the Senate floor on March 4, citing data from the OFII and pointing out that every state has thousands of insourced workers. Michigan has 244,200. Ohio has 242,200. Even Idaho has 13,900 insourced jobs.[19] ~ Source, the Heritage Foundation (hint: not at all liberal today's 'progressive' sense)

Indeed, the sky is falling.

287 posted on 03/12/2006 11:29:09 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Yes, that's why they "did not" enlist the help of the French in exchange for cash considerations.

Do you people even think about things before you write them down for the rest to see?

288 posted on 03/12/2006 11:31:29 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: hedgetrimmer
I did write that I was guessing. Is it the irrational fear of market outcomes then? Perhaps a distaste for capitalism? Maybe if you told me what it really was, I'd stop picking on you.
289 posted on 03/12/2006 11:33:54 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: rcocean

Hey, did you read the second link that I provided in that earlier post? I can help you with some of the bigger words and concept...all you have to do is just ask.


290 posted on 03/12/2006 11:35:58 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: onyx
Y'all will love this!

You're right, I certainly did!

291 posted on 03/12/2006 12:07:34 PM PST by 1035rep
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To: LowCountryJoe
Thank you for your service to our country.

I disagree with you that nationalism is cheesy. Are you not proud to be an American? Our original Patriots and Minutemen made their sacrifice so that we could have a nation. There's more to our Contitution than just economic freedom.

If you really believe that nationalism is that cheesy, why did you join the Armed Services of America? The very reason for the existence of the United States Marine Corps is to defend this nation and its allies.

I'm not an isolationist. Isolationism is unrealistic. I AM a nationalist. We'd better be playing this game to win. If we allow one of our enemies out there the means and opportunity to take us down, they'll do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, we don't get to choose our enemies. As long as there are men, there will be men who choose to be tyrants, or lord over their fellows as kings. If we leave ourselves at their mercy, we're done for.

Why is it that your countrymen, who you swore to defend with your life, if necessary, are not worthy of defending economically from predatory trade practices by other countries, or from invasion by foreign nationals?

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just wondering what your rationale is.

I do admire you signing back up in the reserves. I'd re-enlist myself, but they'd probably turn me down as physically unfit for service at this point in life.

292 posted on 03/12/2006 12:16:04 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: CowboyJay
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just wondering what your rationale is.

My rationale is this: I do not subscribe to what you wrote here. "Why is it that your countrymen, who you swore to defend with your life, if necessary, are not worthy of defending economically from predatory trade practices by other countries, or from invasion by foreign nationals?" I do not believe in the so-called predatory trade practices. There are always two sides for every coin. If foreign entities (be them businesses or governments) decide to undercut other domestic businesses by accepting less than the 'going rate' for their goods or services, the domestic consumer is the one who wins. In the end, the consumers savings - in the aggregate - will outweigh the temporary dislocation of the worker. The worker will retrain or change jobs, and a new allocation of resources will result in growth.

293 posted on 03/12/2006 12:48:04 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: LowCountryJoe

Funny that the Alien Act was passed in Congress was mostly aimed at the french, and was meant to curtail activities of aliens and prevent subversion. In fact, restricting aliens in time of war has been a popular and easy to accomplish security measure that is very effective. Since we are in a war with "terrorists", curtailing their access to our ports seems like an extremely logical thing to do. Since the terrorism we are fighting is not home grown, but the product of an international movement, harboring extreme prejudice against nations that give money or other support to the terrorists is also logical.



294 posted on 03/12/2006 1:31:48 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: LowCountryJoe
Do you people even think about things before you write them down for the rest to see?

Like interdependence is a higher form than indepedence? LOL
295 posted on 03/12/2006 1:33:22 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: cotton1706
Globalism has a very thin skin.

Great line! :-)

296 posted on 03/12/2006 1:35:41 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Your nation is being destroyed from within and without. What are you doing about it?)
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To: unseen
In that time we have gone from a one wage earner family with a good standard of living to a two income family living from pay-check to paycheck. With record debt all while we try to keep our standard of living forget about increasing that standard of living.

Thank you very much .

I thought I was one of the few left who remembered when we where a self sufficient independent country and the world need us instead us needing the world.

What you said along very fact that we have so many free traders and dollar worshipers terrified at the thought that we have angered a bunch of desert Arab states, proves what happens to a country when it invests it's future inside the countries of those who envy or hate it.

Especially when they invest to the point to a point that the economic well being of our nation is in their hands.

Because of the no borders, free trade, anything for a dollar crowd, we have and are continuing to place the economic security of our country in the hands of those that would change or destroy America.

Now we have a large part of the people in the world's supposedly only superpower wailing in financial fear from the threat of a few Arab states with people in them who's dream is to take the world back to the seventh century.

It ain't just our military security that a lot of American companies have sold to the highest bidder but our economic security.

It is now a race to see which one goes off inside what's left of our borders first. The nuclear or financial bomb.

297 posted on 03/12/2006 1:36:43 PM PST by mississippi red-neck (You will never win the war on terrorism by fighting it in Iraq and funding it in the West Bank.)
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To: LowCountryJoe
"I do not believe in the so-called predatory trade practices."

You don't have to believe in them for them to exist. They work really well. Hence the reason China's economic power is growing in relation to ours. US companies (and, hence US citizzens) do not get an equal chance to compete in certain foreign markets.

"The worker will retrain or change jobs, and a new allocation of resources will result in growth."

The worker? Sounds like a page out of some totalitarian manifesto. You do understand you're talking about your own neighbors, and future generations of Americans like cattle, rather than citizens of a free nation, Joe?

298 posted on 03/12/2006 1:51:25 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: mississippi red-neck

How nice. We all used to ride horses too. How many F-16's should I put you down for?


299 posted on 03/12/2006 2:09:27 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: hedgetrimmer
Globalization.

Is that what they are talking about in the article? The part about Japan buying up real estate in the US prior to the Japanese economy tanking for ten straight years while ours soared?

300 posted on 03/12/2006 2:12:53 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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