Goodbye, Dubai (Protectionists Rejoice)

Los Angeles Times ^ | March 10, 2006 | The Editors

[mlc9852]

Thanks.

[najida]

You're welcome.

The good guys have to stick together ;)

[mlc9852]

And you have a wonderful weekend, too.:)

[jec41]

Thursday, September 22, 2005
Funding Palestinian Terror

The U.S. government has exempted itself - and gone against its established policy on terror, again - from requirements to stop terror financing by giving $50 million to the Palestinian Authority, which continues to incite and support terrorism and provide sanctuary for known and established terrorist organizations.

In June 2003, the U.S. Agency for International Development demanded that all U.S. tax-exempt organizations partnering with Palestinian NGOs obtain from the Palestinians an antiterrorism certification which, among other things, guarantees that: "The Recipient has not provided, and will take all reasonable steps to ensure that it does not and will not knowingly provide material support or resources to any individual or entity that commits, attempts to commit, advocates, facilitates, or participates in terrorist acts, or has committed, attempted to commit, facilitated, or participated in terrorist acts."

The U.S. government has exempted itself from these requirements by ignoring the PA's continuing violations of the agreements they signed to stop terror activities and incitement for terrorism, as demonstrated by PA Minister for Civil Affairs Muhammad Dahlan's Aug. 13 statement in the midst of the Israeli disengagement from Gaza. Dahlan stated, "This is a day for the people, so it can celebrate in honor of the sacrifice of the shahids [martyrs]."

The PA also funds incitement against the U.S., calling for attacks against American soldiers in Iraq.

[ohioWfan]

I'll let you figure that one out Einstein.

And to you and the other Bush-bots, The Deal is Off,....get over it!!!

Might I remind you of THIS 'intelligent' post of yours?

You lost the debate on all sides with this, HEY. You refused to answer the question while lashing out with sarcasm.

Then you used the insipid, worn-out "Bushbot" attack..........both meaningless, and in this case, wrong..........to put an exclamation point on your loss.

Dominic beat you up with logic. You lost.

That's why I congratulated him. It was fun to see his victory of logic unfold.

[HEY4QDEMS]

All the logic was on his side, and he won the debate with everyone.........including you.

I didn't know I was debating. In the collection of posts I have on this thread I have made three statements which I still stand by.
1. I'm not afraid of Muslims.
2. I don't trust Muslims. (Not trusting someone is not the same as fearing)
And
3. I happy that the Port deal failed.

The only question I refused to answer directly was one 'wanting to know my plan for killing all the Arabs in the world?' which is a question not deserving of an answer.

[jec41]

The US and Europe gives $400,000 to Palestine every year through different government funding. The US gives 50 million and has done so far a long time.

[HEY4QDEMS]

But if you don't trust them, doesn't that by definition mean you're afraid of what they'll do?

No, by definition it means I don't believe they will do as they promise.

It doesn't mean I'm 'afraid'

[ohioWfan]

Yes, we DO! :)

[Paul Ross]

Ditto to you Ma'am.

[Dominic Harr]

I don't trust Muslims. (Not trusting someone is not the same as fearing)

Perhaps the word 'fear' is distracting this debate then.

Isn't it accurate to say that when you don't trust someone, you fear that they will do you wrong?

Now, if it's based on evidence, then your fears are considered justified. In this case, there was no evidence that DPW would do us wrong, so it would be an unjustified fear. A 'gut feeling', so to speak.

[processing please hold]

Then explain why the Pentagon is comfortable docking Navy ships at Dubai.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, wasn't the military comfortable docking in port of Aden, Yemen, where the USS Cole bombed? Was the Pentagon comfortable having Marines in Beirut when 241 of them were murdered in their barracks.

The pentagon ain't always right.

[ohioWfan]

The only question I refused to answer directly was one 'wanting to know my plan for killing all the Arabs in the world?' which is a question not deserving of an answer.

It's a serious problem when your words are right here in black and white and you deny them.

These are the questions that Dominic asked you......

Are you saying you're not afraid they're a danger to us? Yet you opposed this deal?

Don't trust them to do -- what?

And to this, you told him to 'figure it out yourself, Einstein' and then called him a 'Bushbot.'

I'd call that 'refusing to answer' the questions...........and good questions at that.

[GOP_1900AD]

RE: "Your personal desire (i.e. FEELING) that we should not have anyone outside the U.S. own anything inside the U.S. is economically unsound, and completely unrealistic."

Projecting a bit are we? You seem to be rather emotional and not able to carefully read what I wrote. Here, I'll try it again using 8th grade English.

I do not agree with foreign GOVERNMENTS owning things in this country.

I have no problem with foreign CORPORATIONS owning things in this country. By CORPORATIONS I mean in the American sense, government owned don't count.

[HEY4QDEMS]

or setting up a corporate structure without management links to its government-controlled parent in Dubai.

I'm sorry but I must insist that you back this statemnet up.

else I must call BS!

[ohioWfan]

Say...........have you written that book you were bloviating about the other day, Paul?

You know, the one where you said you were the only one in the world who understood Reagan (the god) and Bush (the demon), and all that stuff?

Is it writen yet? Cause I'd love to know if you sell more than 30 copies (btw, how many do you have in your family? ;).

[Paul Ross]

I have no problem with foreign CORPORATIONS owning things in this country. By CORPORATIONS I mean in the American sense, government owned don't count.

Bump.

[thinkthenpost]

No, I believe the administration in power at the time kind of forced that on the Navy and the Marines in Beirut were most decided not comfortable. That is not to say the Pentagon is always right but in this case I will add I was never worried while moored in Jebel Ali (port in the UAE).

[GOP_1900AD]

RE: "Your second point, is once again based on your FEELING about 'how far' the UAE has come. People with far more factual information than you have (e.g. the U.S. military) have determined that there would have been no added threat to our national security."

Actually, I based it on the actual economic structure of the UAE and the way that they partition things into a "friendly to the West zone" where there are more or less normal business rules, and a "baksheesh zone" where the old tribal ways rule. In the latter zone, there is still considerable laundering of suspect funds and movement of aid to the sponsoring states and to terrorists themselves.

[ohioWfan]

8th grade English? ROFLOL! NOW I'm emotional. (I'm on the floor laughing, actually.........but I'll get up now so I can reach the keyboard more easily :).

As I said, quite calmly and unemotionally before...........your reasons are based on feelings. That's OK. It's good to have feelings. Feelings are good. You don't have to be ashamed of them. I just prefer to base my decisions on facts........that's all.

Now, was there anything else?

(Where exactly is the capitol of DPW, anyway? Who is the President of DPW? What kind of government does DPW have? Does the government of DPW have a king? :)