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To: kabar
Yeah, but in the case of Britain, they won a true "guerilla war" in Malaya; and of the 11 major "insurrections/insurgencies/guerilla wars" of the 20th century, the government won eight. The Israelis are in a special predicament: they have NO indigenous people who support their presence/government, while the Iraqis have a majority.

When I say "finite number," I'm assuming we don't do something stupid and bomb a bunch of civilians who might, otherwise be on our side. Without such an incident, yes, the number is pretty finite.

As for the Brits in Ireland, a better counterfactual would be if a British-supported IRISH government (not northern Ireland) was facing a rebellion, and if it commanded a majority of the Irish population. In that case, England would have won.

65 posted on 03/10/2006 9:35:11 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: LS
Yeah, but in the case of Britain, they won a true "guerilla war" in Malaya; and of the 11 major "insurrections/insurgencies/guerilla wars" of the 20th century, the government won eight. The Israelis are in a special predicament: they have NO indigenous people who support their presence/government, while the Iraqis have a majority.

In 2004, Israeli Arab citizens made up about 19.5% of Israel's population. How do you consider them? I don't quite understand your point about the Iraqis. Whose presence are you referring to? Us?

When I say "finite number," I'm assuming we don't do something stupid and bomb a bunch of civilians who might, otherwise be on our side. Without such an incident, yes, the number is pretty finite.

Potential terrorists are being born every day in places like Palestine, Iran, Chechnya, etc.

As for the Brits in Ireland, a better counterfactual would be if a British-supported IRISH government (not northern Ireland) was facing a rebellion, and if it commanded a majority of the Irish population. In that case, England would have won.

No, it depends on what that IRISH government represented, how big a majority it commanded, and whether that majority had the same committment and intensity of the minority. If it was a puppet government like the Soviet-supported AFGHAN government in the 1980s, there would still be an insurgency and the IRISH PEOPLE would have triumphed.

Remember, only one-third of the people supported the American Revolution.

70 posted on 03/10/2006 10:02:16 AM PST by kabar
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To: LS

Can you list the 11 major guerilla wars of the 20th Century and who ultimately prevailed? Thanks.


81 posted on 03/11/2006 7:30:49 AM PST by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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