[RHINO369]

I understand why you want to have this exception, but it doesn't make any sense. Either you think its murder or not, and if you don't then who cares why someone wants to?

[aimhigh]

Either you think its murder or not, and if you don't then who cares why someone wants to?

Another factor is when life begins. We could use the same factors that determine when death occurs - no heartbeat, no brainwaves. After a heartbeat and brainwaves occur in a fetus, then abortion is not an option.

[paul51]

A gang breaks into your house. Rapes your wife and three daughters. Against all odds, they all become pregnant. What do you do? If you want to talk in absolutes, let's do it.

[stuartcr]

Some may think it's murder, but it's OK.

[babygene]

"I understand why you want to have this exception, but it doesn't make any sense."

Actually it does in a way...

The sex act (intercourse), can not reasonably be separated from the reproductive process. It is in fact the first step in a continuum that begins with intercourse and ends with the birth of a child.

Therefore, if the start of this process is an unwanted assault on the female (rape), then the pregnancy could reasonably be considered a continuation of the same assault. So the woman could very well have the right to terminate the assault, right up to childbirth.

It's true that the kid is a victim and perhaps doesn't deserve to die. But life isn't fair sometimes...

For example, suppose a pregnant woman had a gun and was trying to murder another person. Would that other person not be justified in killing the woman in self defense, just because doing so would put her unborn child at risk? Like I said, life is not fair sometimes.

Incest is a totally different matter (except that probably most incest is also rape).