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ACLU says lethal injection violates First Amendment
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 3/8/06 | David Kravets - ap

Posted on 03/08/2006 8:00:32 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge
The American Civil Liberties Union claimed in a federal lawsuit Wednesday that California's lethal injection protocol violates the First Amendment rights of execution witnesses by not allowing them to see if the inmate is experiencing pain before death.

Would the ACLU object if a 12 person firing squad was used?

Second Amendment violation?

21 posted on 03/08/2006 8:15:08 PM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: NormsRevenge

Anyone who thinks sedating and then killing a convicted murderer is cruel and unusual punishment needs help. What do they want death to be for killers? Pleasant?


22 posted on 03/08/2006 8:15:18 PM PST by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: NormsRevenge

What I cannot see is how a news organization would have standing to challenge the execution process.


23 posted on 03/08/2006 8:16:45 PM PST by writmeister
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To: NormsRevenge
The paralyzing drug, according to the lawsuit, "makes it impossible for witnesses to determine whether death row inmates in California are being subjected to substantial and unnecessary pain before dying."

Okay...this should solve that problem.




24 posted on 03/08/2006 8:17:29 PM PST by kcvl
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To: BenLurkin
A proper hanging kills instantly, IIRC. Back to using a new rope.

The funny thing is, if I was going the the death house, for what ever unimaginable reason, I would much prefer the rope to the needle. You die on your feet (sort of) not on you back strapped to a gurney with IV's in your arms.

Even "old Sparky" sounds better than that to me

25 posted on 03/08/2006 8:17:48 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hell, if the ACLU wants to see ways an execution will show the pain and sufferning a murderer should feel, I'll be happy to get out some old horror movies for inspiration.


26 posted on 03/08/2006 8:21:50 PM PST by Brytani (Democrats - destroying America since 1868)
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To: knew it all the time

A firing squad circumvents those problems nicely.>>>

Make it circular and take bets on who gets hit.


27 posted on 03/08/2006 8:26:23 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: NormsRevenge

Guillotine.

And have it setup so that the first time it drops it stops a few inches above the neck.


28 posted on 03/08/2006 8:26:35 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Pacific News Service is a nonprofit media organization that was founded in 1969 as an alternative source of news and analysis on the U.S. role in Vietnam. Since then, we have evolved into a highly experimental communications hub for journalists, scholars, filmmakers, artists and young people dedicated to bringing the seldom heard, often most misunderstood or ignored voices and ideas into the public forum. PNS produces a daily news syndicate and sponsors magazine articles, books, TV segments (including Richard Rodriguez's essays for PBS's "News Hour with Jim Lehrer") and films (including the 1997 Oscar-winning documentary "Breathing Lessons"). PNS History


The nonprofit, Pacific News Service was founded in 1969 by Orville Schell (now a noted author, journalist and Dean of the Graduate School of Journalism at the University of California-Berkeley) and UC-Berkeley historian and sociologist Franz Schurmann (former head of the Center for Chinese Studies and author of numerous books on China and on foreign affairs). Its original purpose was to provide mainstream newspapers with an independent source of expertise and reportage on the U.S. Role in Indochina during the Vietnam War. Each week it produced and syndicated – and continues to syndicate – six to eight newspaper articles to mainstream newspaper subscribers, weeklies and alternative publications, college newspapers and the ethnic press.



Franz Schurmann
Emeritus professor of history and sociology at UC Berkeley. Founded Pacific News Service.


Richard Rodriguez
Award winning PBS NewsHour essays on American life. Richard is an editor at Pacific News Service.


Andrew Lam
Andrew is an Associate Editor at Pacific News Service, a short story writer, and and a regular commentator on NPR.


Walter Truett Anderson
Associate editor, commentator, political scientist who writes widely on technology and global governance.


Rene Ciria-Cruz
Associate editor at PNS and also a longtime editor for Filipinas Magazine.





Orville Schell was born in New York City in 1940, graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard University in Far Eastern History, was an exchange student at National Taiwan University in the 1960s, and did graduate work at the University of California, Berkeley, in Chinese History where he earned a Ph.D (Abd). He has worked for the Ford Foundation in Indonesia, covered the war in Indochina as a journalist, and travelled widely in China.

He is also a contributor to such magazines as The New Yorker, The Atlantic, The New York Times Magazine, The Nation, The Los Angeles Times Magazine, Granta, Wired, Newsweek, Mother Jones, The China Quarterly, and The New York Review of Books.

Schell serves on the boards of Human Rights Watch, the Sundance Documentary
Fund jury, and the Social Science Research Council. He is also a member of the Pacific Council, the Council on Foreign Relations and a regular particpant in the World Economic Forum at Davos.

Schell is currently the Dean of the Graduate School of Journalism at the University of California, Berkeley.


http://orvilleschell.com/portraitWEB.jpg


29 posted on 03/08/2006 8:27:03 PM PST by kcvl
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To: MilspecRob
Put them in a chamber, pump in nitrogen and wait 30 minutes. It's painless and certain, requires no medical skills to administer and the gas is dirt cheap.

But you'd still probably want to strap them to a gurney, in case they tossed a fit after the hatch was dogged down.

30 posted on 03/08/2006 8:27:57 PM PST by Max in Utah (muhammed-- Satan's stepson)
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To: NormsRevenge

Does ACLU have a suggestion on how to conduct death penalty painless? I thought giving them a sedative has already been quite humane (well, perhaps giving sleeping pills with strawberry flavor, so the person doesn't have to feel any pain from injection, would be even 'nicer').


31 posted on 03/08/2006 8:31:41 PM PST by paudio
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Jonathan Schell is brother of Orville Schell, founder of Pacific News Service in 1969


Jonathan Schell, The Nation's peace and disarmament correspondent, decries war as a political tool


Jonathan Schell now teaches at Wesleyan University and the New School and is the Harold Willens Peace Fellow at The Nation Institute.

Mr. Schell was a writer and editor at the New Yorker between 1967 and 1987 and — and Deputy Editor for 1987-88.


32 posted on 03/08/2006 8:35:18 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Max in Utah

We need a disintegrator. Instant, painless... poof!

Actually toss 'em into a smelter, or a modern coal turbine power plant furnace. Flash evaporation. Plus, at least we'd get a half a KWh out of 'em. They keep bitching about energy costs...


33 posted on 03/08/2006 8:36:24 PM PST by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The ACLU thugs want it both ways.

They would claim a firing squad constitutes cruel and unusual punishment and violates the second amendment.

Hanging would be cruel and unusual, too.

Maybe we should let them chose the method of death.

34 posted on 03/08/2006 8:37:58 PM PST by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: lesser_satan

Only if we can use Florida's Old Sparky.


35 posted on 03/08/2006 8:39:37 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: kcvl
Jonathan Schell, The Nation's peace and disarmament correspondent, decries war as a political tool

What an idiot. Von Clausewitz quite elaborately postulated that war *is* politics (or continuation of) through other means.
36 posted on 03/08/2006 8:39:51 PM PST by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: upchuck

Gotta probably couch that with, "no, you can't choose old age".

But we have a number of deadly diseases we need cures for. Volunteer ? :)


37 posted on 03/08/2006 8:41:09 PM PST by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: rfreedom4u

Im sure they would say the first ammendment give us the right to rape ..Complete assh*les they are. Who the hell payes these idiots to sit around thinking up this stupidity ?


38 posted on 03/08/2006 8:42:21 PM PST by binkdeville
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To: lesser_satan

YEEEE-HAAAWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!


39 posted on 03/08/2006 8:44:43 PM PST by Ainast
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To: NormsRevenge


Criminals don't have the same rights as citizens. It was a nice try though.


40 posted on 03/08/2006 8:45:54 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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