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To: BlueStateDepression
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/New-fact-sheet03/Point08BAC.pdf

This is codswallop. You may like gov't propaganda, but I don't. Where to begin.

First of all, the data about increased risks of fatality are based upon a review of fatalities, not upon an analysis of overall driving.

This is the same junk science methodology that gun grabbers use to claim that if you have a gun in your house, you are 47 (or whatever) times more likely to be killed. It's junk methodology.

Compare the amount of miles driven by people in various states of sobriety and drunkeness (and good luck getting that data) and see how many casualties result. That would be science.

The "Point-Counterpoint" section is pathetic. They don't reapond to the points raised, they just duck them. Example:

They abuse the wording of the GAO report (just like you did earlier) to ignore the fact that 0.08 laws take place not in a vacuum but "in combination with" other factors. Don't pretend to have isolated a factor when you haven't.

Also, I find it comical that they deny in a "counterpoint" that they are working incrementally to zero, yet in a later section they wax lovingly about how other countries and studies show 0.05 is a much better number. "Most subjects in these studies were significantly impaired at .05 BAC"

SD

115 posted on 03/08/2006 11:21:19 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

I never pretended to isolate the .08 factor and said quite clearly it was in combination with other things done at the same time.

You know if you feel the need to claim i say things I did not say then I have no further desire to continue this conversation with you anymore.

I like that you claim propaganda....you say "that would be science" when you know damn well there is no way to measure miles driven at stages of drunkeness" there is no way to have perfect accurate numbers on any of this. Best guesses are all that came to pass for this situation and you know it.

You cannot change the fact that drinking and driving when mixed causes death and injury.....cut all the stats in half to account for what you call propaganda and then come back and tell me that those numbers are acceptable.....go for it......you will have to live with it if you do.

Folks like you refuse to accept the .08 and really do not offer anything to put in its place....and you wonder why the level has changed downward instead of upwards.

You got no right to endanger others on the public highways....just as a terrorist has no right to detonate a bomb in public. Drinking and driving at levels above .08 does just that in unacceptable fashion. There can be no perfection, I understand, and that is why I support .080 being the line. Studies show impairment really gets going in meaningful ways at .08 and I accept that as plausible until such time as something is shown to me that will change my position.

You have shown me nothing but opposition without solution.


128 posted on 03/08/2006 11:35:44 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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