Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll (69% of Americans Want alternate theories allowed in class)

WorldnetDaily.Com ^ | 03/07/2006

[ml1954]

The Christian spirit is a spirit of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.

Should I mention this when I observe contrary behavior by a creationist on one of these threads?

[balrog666]

I particularly like the ongoing discussions of how to better love one's enemies. It's good to see consistency in thoughts and behavior.

The entire idea of judging someone by what they say, as opposed to what they do, is truly an absurdist notion.

[js1138]

Your critical analysis would be better received if, instead of simply asserting that the rest of us are dummies, you would state the correct interpretation of the evidence.

Do you believe, for example, that the fossil record and the DNA evidence requires a supernatural explanation?

[js1138]

And convenient.

[tallhappy]

Do you believe, for example, that the fossil record and the DNA evidence requires a supernatural explanation?

No.

[js1138]

OK, then I assume your criticisms of evolution center on details of interpretation.

[TheClintons-STILLAnti-American]

"Oh wait, liberals only like to discuss competing ideas when discuss whether to smoke from a pipe or a bong."

Good point.

Liberals only "tolerate" those ideas and values that fall under their approved umbrella.

Of course, when it comes to this particular topic, there are many on this forum who are just as adamant in their commitment to censorship.

[Dimensio]

What exactly are the competing ideas about the Holocaust?

While the vast majority of historians agree that the Holocaust did in fact occur, a small number of historians dispute the notion, and are ready to present a great deal of evidence to demonstrate that the event was actually a hoax.

[Antonello]

Being an atheist is a suckers bet.

Being an atheist (or a Christian, or a Jew, or a Muslim, etc.) shouldn't be a 'bet' at all. Someone that professes to be a particular religion just to cover their bases is merely pretending to believe out of fear, not faith.

In other words, people choosing not to be atheist for this reason are doing nothing more than buying 'afterlife insurance' from whatever God salesman that happened to win their business.

So with that in mind, who is being more honest - someone who follows what they believe even if that means not believing in God, or someone that pretends to believe in God just in case?

[tallhappy]

When have I criticized evolution?

[Right Wing Professor]

I haven't a clue what point you're trying to make here. If we haven't found any evidence contradicting evolution, how can we teach the evidence contradicting evolution?

If you think there is evidence contradicting evolution, post it.

[Dimensio]

Darwinists like the survival-of-the-fittest view of life, which is a view that implies that only the powerful are valuable.

This is an inaccurate assessment of those who accept the theory of evolution, stemming from an incorrect understanding of the theory. The theory does not state that the "powerful" are valuable. In fact, the theory assigns no "value" at all. Instead, it simply states that those whose inherited traits give them the best advantage for reproducing and thus passing their traits on to subsequent generations are the ones most likely to have their genetic information represented in future populations. Note that advantageous traits are entirely relative based upon environment, and as such there is no absolute means of defining "best adapted to reproduce".

They are wealth worshippers

I do not see this as evident amongst the majority of those who accept evolution.

often claiming that any deviation from their rule will lead to economic disaster.

This is again a misunderstanding. The claim is that modifying science standards to accomidate currently non-scientific concepts, as Intelligent Design proponents suggest, would re-define science to the point of meaninglessness. This would then stifle scientific growth in the United States, putting it at a severe disadvantage over countries where scientific thought is untampered.

Because they are wealth and power worshippers with an inflated sense of intellectual superiority, it is inevitable that they would despise the Christian spirt and the Christian message. This is why they war against Christ.

This statement would not appear to be a logical conclusion given that many who accept evolution are Christians.

[Dimensio]

Being an atheist is a suckers bet.

Curious. Please elaborate on this statement.

[Ichneumon]

[Being an atheist is a suckers bet.]

Please explain. Remember, there have been 10,000+ mutually contradictory creation myths and deities in the recorded history of man. An atheist only disbelieves one more of them than you do. Is disbelieving all the others also a sucker's bet on your part?

Oooh, *that's* gonna leave a mark...

Meanwhile, an even bigger "sucker's bet" is trying to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place...

[Stultis]

Now, since nobody knows the answers, it is only scientific method to consider all points of view on the issue in education.

All points of view? Really? Regardless of their objective standing as active and productive scientific ideas? What does that mean for standards of intellectual honesty and academic integrity? How would you prevent such rampant intellectual relativism from spreading to all scientific theory, and (further) infecting all educational topics?

For instance nobody "knows" (by the strict criteria your comments suggest) which culture is really best, or that one is better than another. Therefore freewheeling, anti-Western, relativist multiculturalism is justified?

[js1138]

When have I criticized evolution?

Perhaps you should read through some of your posts from the last week or two and ask yourself why you seem to be so misunderstood. I see you duking it out with creationists, evolutionists and moderators. Surely we are not all dolts.

Perhaps your style of posting is confrontational without adding any clarity or information to the discussion.

I can see many places where you have accused others of ignorance without making clear what the informed position would be.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"I totally agree. It is a spirit of hostility toward the gospel that animates Darwinism."

That's garbage, you all need to stop playing the victim.

No one is forcing evolution down your throat, if you don't like the fact that evolution science is taught is public schools, take your kids out of public schools.

Home school them, send them to religious schools, do whatever you want to do.

It's your right to do so.

Just like other people have a right to decide that they want their kids to learn about evolution from a science teacher in a public school, and about God's creation from a member of the clergy in a Church or synagogue. Or even not to learn about religion at all.

You want to believe in Creation exactly as the Bible says that it happened?

I will not only respect your right to do so, and to raise your kids to believe in the same thing, but I will lay down my life in defending those rights.

If you want to debate the issue of Creation vs. evolution, we can do that to...and while I will defend my points, and state my reasons why I believe in whatever it is that I believe in, I will still respect your right to believe on what you believe in.

However, you see to think that my beliefs are an attack on your beliefs because they run contrary to one other, and that you have a right to inject your beliefs in places where those beliefs are not being spoused...you don't, but you are actively trying to do so. So if there's anyone attacking anyone else out there, it is believers in Creation who are attacking the places where evolution is taught; no one is trying to force Churches to teach evolution, why can't you show the same respect?

The rest of your post is one long, weird combination of ad hominem attacks (not very Christian of you), and the rantings of an individual with very low self-esteem, and a clinical case of paranoia.

Get over yourself.

[tallhappy]

Surely we are not all dolts.

Don't call me shirly and don;t be so sure.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"There's the problem with "EVOLUTION", it's based on "theories" that can't be verified.'

I've seen plenty of physical proof to convince me of the validity of the theory.

I've yet to see God make a man from dirt, or a woman from a rib.

The fact that you will not accept the overwhelming amount of proof supporting the theory of evolution, does not negate the proof, or its existence.

And that's fine that you don't believe in it, that's your right.

Now, all you have to do is show me the same amount of respect.

[js1138]

So you aren't Shirley and I am not Shure. Agreed.