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What Is the Value of Algebra?
The Washington Post ^ | February 16, 2006 | Richard Cohen

Posted on 03/07/2006 10:12:59 AM PST by RBroadfoot

None, according to Richard Cohen of the Washington Post.

EXCERPT: I am haunted by Gabriela Ocampo. ... failing algebra six times in six semesters, trying it a seventh time and finally just despairing over ever getting it.

The L.A. school district now requires all students to pass a year of algebra ...

Here's the thing, Gabriela: You will never need to know algebra. I have never once used it and never once even rued that I could not use it. ...

Gabriela, sooner or later someone's going to tell you that algebra teaches reasoning. This is a lie propagated by, among others, algebra teachers. Writing is the highest form of reasoning. This is a fact. Algebra is not. The proof of this, Gabriela, is all the people in my high school who were whizzes at math but did not know a thing about history and could not write a readable English sentence. ...

Algebra ruined many a day for me. Now it could ruin your life.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: education; matheducation
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To: All
Writing is the highest form of reasoning. This is a fact. Algebra is not.

I sure it has been said in the past 300 Posts, but this guy is an incredible fool.

301 posted on 03/07/2006 11:53:13 AM PST by TankerKC (Pull your head out.)
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To: smith288
Why go to H & R when TaxCut is available? See, even Im not that stupid.

Off topic. Do you think they will prosecute Cindy Sheehan for not filing?

302 posted on 03/07/2006 11:53:44 AM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: RockinRight
I was one of the few that actually liked and did well in Algebra...

Me too! Course I was on the Algebra team both years I took Algebra... I also hated Geometry. Not because I didn't get it, but because I was lazy and hated having to "prove" something that I felt should be obvious to any idiot out there.

Many people that "don't get" Algebra actually use it every day. They just don't know it's Algebra, so it doesn't scare them. Maybe we should just call Algebra "cookies" and more people would pass.

303 posted on 03/07/2006 11:54:13 AM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: shelterguy

I suppose so. Prefab trusses are sure a lot faster, and speed seems to be the main thing these days in construction. On the other hand, my old house, built in 1954 was done the old-fashioned way, and it's still square. My in-laws house was built in the 90s and isn't.

My projects are always small scale. The largest thing I've ever done was a 2-car garage. But I did the whole thing myself, from pouring the slab to roofing it. I learned a lot on that project. One of the principal things I learned was that raising a 24-foot long stud wall by yourself is not all that easy. Darned things wiggle. [grin]


304 posted on 03/07/2006 11:54:15 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: PallMal

"Most calculus teachers will not waste their time going over algebra."

Algebra teachers shouldn't have to explain arithmetic either, but today's government high school students don't yet comprehend the basic arithmetic.


305 posted on 03/07/2006 11:55:19 AM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: SoothingDave
People need to know how to set the problem up before they can even begin to know an answer.

I think you'll find that people do not need to learn Algebra to achieve this. Algebra is for more complex problems that don't arise in day-to-day life for people not in certain fields. The truth is that most people do not remember anything about Algebra twenty years after their last class, but those same people can read twenty years later. Why? Because they didn't use Algebra, but they read often enough.

306 posted on 03/07/2006 11:55:25 AM PST by Señor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Exactly. I could always get an answer but I never could understand the way the teacher told us that we had to get the answer. As long as the answer was all that mattered I did fine.


307 posted on 03/07/2006 11:55:33 AM PST by tiki
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To: AmericaUnite
Off topic. Do you think they will prosecute Cindy Sheehan for not filing?

Off topic? Thats next universe topic. LOL... I didnt know she didnt file.

308 posted on 03/07/2006 11:55:47 AM PST by smith288 (http://angryprogrammer.typepad.com)
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To: taxcontrol
I can see this argument for Trig and Calculus but not Algebra.

Bah... you do calculus every day, whether you realize it or not. Ever catch something thrown at you? Your brain had to do differential calculus to predict the path of the thrown object. Whenever I tutored someone who would claim that they "can't" do calculus, the first thing I would do is toss something like a tennis ball at them -- whether they caught it or not, at least getting in the ballpark shows that their brain is capable of doing it, at which point it was just a matter of turning it into a conscious act instead of an unconscious one.

309 posted on 03/07/2006 11:56:21 AM PST by kevkrom ("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
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To: smith288

You didn't know she said she wouldn't be paying anymore taxes? One of her early quotes.


310 posted on 03/07/2006 11:57:16 AM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: YouPosting2Me

ROTLFLMAO


311 posted on 03/07/2006 11:57:22 AM PST by YourAdHere (Bradypalooza. Available at Amazon.Com)
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To: TXBSAFH
Algebra teaches the basic mechanics of math.

Then calculus must be the hydraulics.

312 posted on 03/07/2006 11:57:33 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
So lets make the courses required for graduation easier so that stupid kids can get a degree and oh yes lets get rid of hard subjects because it lowers the self esteem of illegal immigrants... while we are at it lets make Spanish the national language..

You forgot to include let's make attendance at school optional and everyone gets a degree for simply breathing and taking up space somewhere. Sheesh!

313 posted on 03/07/2006 11:57:42 AM PST by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: RBroadfoot

First year algebra is just day to day math presented in a new format. You would never see people say they not only don't understand but DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND the gas costs for their commute, or price comparisons when shopping for unlike quantities, or how much paint to buy.

But when you call it algebra and present it in abstract equations instead of english (or in California, spanish), many people are not only baffled but pick up a life long hatred for the concept.

It would seem the me that the problem is in the teaching.


314 posted on 03/07/2006 11:57:57 AM PST by CGTRWK
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To: george wythe
That's the kind of 'algebra' that students are required to learn.

It's th ekind of Algebra my 12 year olds mastered two years ago. Certainly a HS Grad should be able to do simple Algebra.

315 posted on 03/07/2006 11:59:04 AM PST by TankerKC (Pull your head out.)
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To: AmericaUnite
You didn't know she said she wouldn't be paying anymore taxes? One of her early quotes.

No... I look at her ugly mug and I go the other direction.

316 posted on 03/07/2006 11:59:41 AM PST by smith288 (http://angryprogrammer.typepad.com)
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To: RBroadfoot

Here are the universal numbers: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42.


317 posted on 03/07/2006 11:59:47 AM PST by YourAdHere (Bradypalooza. Available at Amazon.Com)
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To: RBroadfoot; Peanut Gallery

My 7 year old is learning algebra. Pie of pie as some Russian dude once said.


318 posted on 03/07/2006 11:59:54 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Ground Zero - microscopic and colossal at the same time.)
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To: smith288

That explains why they outsource to India......just kidding .....


319 posted on 03/07/2006 12:00:16 PM PST by Fawn (I want the Madonna and Mick Jagger diet and exercise books!!!)
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To: AmericaUnite
Only trouble with Algebra is that it's a doggone arabic word.

It's not only an arabic word - it's an arabic invention. Until the arabs invented the concept of "zero" (another arabic word) - higher mathematics were nearly impossible. Add up these numbers: XXVII + CXV + MDCII + DXV. I have no idea how the Greeks and Romans kept track of anything without using a zero.

The Arab civilization brought European civilization many mathematic, scientific and medical advances. The problem is that all their advances stopped 500 years ago. Since then they have come up with almost nothing new - except suicide bombers.

320 posted on 03/07/2006 12:01:11 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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