Senators Rockefeller and Durbin May Take Lie Detector Tests (Don't forget Leahy, etc.)

Sierra Times ^ | 3/7/2006 | Jim Kouri, CPP

[Cboldt]

Forum
Presidential Impeachment Proposals
[Harper's Magazine]
New York, New York (United States)
ID: 191420 - 03/02/2006 - 2:03 - $60.00

Conyers, John Jr. U.S. Representative, D-MI
Holtzman, Elizabeth U.S. Representative (1973-1981), D-NY
Dean, John W. Counsel (Fmr.), White House
Lapham, Lewis H. Editor in Chief, [Harper's Magazine]
Ratner, Michael President, Center for Constitutional Rights
Seder, Sam Talk Show Host, Air America Radio, Majority Report, The

Harper's Magazine hosted a forum titled "Is There a Case for Impeachment?" Former Rep. Elizabeth Holtzman, a member of the House Judiciary Committee during Watergate, and John Dean, White House Council to President Nixon, participated. The town hall forum was moderated by Sam Seder.

C-SPAN Program ID 191420

[Mo1]

Harper's Magazine ??

Geez

Thanks for the info!

[STARWISE]

I caught it near the end and I was so stunned .. I mean it: my jaw dropped. It's Conyers .. a bunch of legal scholars .. a very very crazed mob audience chiming in. One lawyer was former Democratic congresswoman, Elizabeth Holtzman.

One fellow in the audience asked that, if the President is speaking with the presidential seal in front of the podium, could it be established that he was automatically under oath!!

These people are dead serious ... unbelievable.

[Cboldt]

I am not sure that it is a federal crime for a sitting senator to leak classified intel, the crime might be when the person receiving the leak makes it public.

The only out for a Senator is for words spoken on the floor of the Senate, for which he can only be question by the Senate.

The law has independent criminal provisions for leakers and publishers. When the law is broken on leaking, it may or may not ALSO be broken (by a different person) by publication. But publication is not a prerequisite to finding a crime for leaking.

[Mo1]

These people are dead serious ... unbelievable.

Yes I know

They are the Dem base .. which is why you are seeing many Top Dem Leaders sounding just like the loons over at the Daily Kos

Heck a few of them are even posting over there

Though .. last week when asked at a news presser, Nancy Pelosi said she would not back an impeachment of the President

That these things should be decided at the polls on election day

[FerdieMurphy]

...intelligence committee.

Nelson? Intelligence?

I find that hard to believe.

[FerdieMurphy]

Remember when the Republicans won control of the House...

I vaguely remember.

When was it that they lost control?

[Just mythoughts]

Thank you for the distinction.


What does leaking mean legally speaking?

Does the leaker have to know they are leaking classified material, to break the law?

[Just mythoughts]

"When was it that they lost control?"


When the Republican controlled Senate refused to hold a real trial on the articles of impeachment.

[Dr. Scarpetta]

Babbin further said that Senators Rockefeller, Durbin, and Wyden, and some on their staffs will soon be requested to take polygraphs

It's about time.

[johnny7]

If the lie-detectors expose them... the Dem's will say that the company who made them was a big Bush donator.

[FerdieMurphy]

Let's see. Who was the ringleader and the one who wielded the broom while the Democrats lifted the carpet?

Oh. I remember now. It was Trent Lott!

[FerdieMurphy]

If they fail will it mean the firing squad?

I mean, like, after all they are treasonous rat traitors!

[kevkrom]

""Jerry, It's not a lie if you believe its the truth."

[justshutupandtakeit]

Fortunately the RAT refusal to convict means that we do not have President Gore in office. As sitting president he would have beaten Bush I have little doubt.

[Just mythoughts]

Well one does not use a cheerleader to win a war, and the cheerleader was elected to be the leader by the majority. Says much about what the majority stood for.

[Cboldt]

What does leaking mean legally speaking?

There are multiple laws in this regard. This list is not exhaustive ...

18 USC 1905 - General prohibition against release
18 USC 793 - Espionage Act
18 USC 794 - Illegal communications
18 USC 797 - Transferring photos or sketches of military installations
18 USC 798 - Publication of classified information
50 USC 421 - Outing the Covert Agent Act

Does the leaker have to know they are leaking classified material, to break the law?

It depends on the statute. "Yes," for "outing the covert agent" and for 18 USC 798. Note the "knowingly" and "willingly" language.

But for 18 USC 793 and 18 USC 794 (and others), the information need not be classified in order to find the elements of the crime.

[Just mythoughts]

Thanks.

[onyx]

BTTT!

[prairiebreeze]

Nancy Pelosi said she would not back an impeachment of the President

Nancy knows there are no grounds. She may even suspect such action would blow up in their furry RAT faces.

Let's have PJ Comix send ol' Bug Eyes a Kewpie Doll for having a brief moment of mental clarity.