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Workplace champlain (Chaplain) controversy (Separation of work and church)
Associated Press ^ | March 5, 2006

Posted on 03/07/2006 3:57:06 AM PST by Raycpa

(Hartford, Connecticut-AP, March 5, 2006) - For more than two years, company-paid chaplains have comforted a grieving Kris Woltz during their visits to the western New York lumber company where she works.

Woltz's husband, Michael, died in 2003 after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, leaving her to raise their two young children.

"It was a hard time going through everything and wondering what the outcome would be," said Woltz, of Angola, N.Y. "The chaplains were wonderful. They just went out of their way."

Baillie Lumber Co. of Hamburg, N.Y., is one of hundreds of U.S. companies that pay chaplains to work with their employees. But lawmakers in several states, concerned that chaplains will evangelize on the factory floor or open the door to political and anti-union campaigns, are considering legislation banning the practice.

Connecticut is the first battleground between labor unions who support the proposals, and business and industry groups that are lining up in opposition. Legislation in Hawaii has been deferred in a legislative committee and a bill in Colorado has yet to find a Senate sponsor.

Naomi Walker, director of state legislative programs at the AFL-CIO in Washington D.C., said the national labor federation has drafted a model bill based on Connecticut's legislation.

Backers of so-called "captive audience" laws are seeking states where there's a good chance legislation will be enacted, said Lewis Maltby, president of the National Workrights Institute in Princeton, N.J..

The law is needed to rein in employers that impose their religious beliefs at the workplace, including the use of corporate chaplains, he said. "Their job is to convert the unconverted," Maltby said.

Gil Stricklin, founder and president of Marketplace Ministries Inc. in Dallas, said his company does not evangelize. Marketplace Ministries has been hired by 300 companies in 38 states, but by none in Connecticut.

"We're not there to proselytize," he said. "I don't take my faith to harass you or hurt you or make you feel inferior."

Connecticut lawmakers said they've not seen a sudden burst of religious zeal at the workplace, but are taking action before problems arise.

"I guess it can happen, especially if you have people who are very passionate about their beliefs," said Connecticut state Rep. Kevin Ryan, D-Montville, who is shepherding the bill through the state House of Representatives.

The proposed legislation, which is backed by the state and national AFL-CIO, also would bar union-bashing at meetings that workers are compelled to attend.

Workers who believe they are disciplined for refusing to attend meetings intended as a platform for management's views could sue to overturn the discipline.

Lori Pelletier, secretary-treasurer of the Connecticut AFL-CIO, said Connecticut's legislation would give workers "freedom in the workplace."

Business groups have promised a fight.

"It's an extremely broad bill," said Bonnie Stewart, lobbyist for the Connecticut Business and Industry Association. "When talking about political activity, it would prohibit us from talking to employees about government contracts and actions at the state, federal and local levels."

Roger Vann, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Connecticut, said the group "understands the spirit" of the proposed legislation, but would prefer a different approach.

If an employer requires a worker to attend a meeting where the boss speaks against the union, management should be required to provide equal time, he said.

"We believe strongly that the answer to objectionable speech is not less speech but more speech," Vann said.

In New York, Baillie Lumber spokeswoman Jill Meyer said the company's chaplain program, operated through Marketplace Ministries, is voluntary.

"Each chaplain comes in once a week, makes the rounds to people and says hi to them," she said. "If people want to talk to them, that's fine. If not, that's fine, too."

Woltz said she doesn't understand the fuss.

"The whole process is totally voluntary," she said. "There has never been a meeting that we had to go through."



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
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Connecticut is the first battleground between labor unions who support the proposals, and business and industry groups that are lining up in opposition.

It seems this democrat vs. republican thing is really a spiritual battle for souls.

1 posted on 03/07/2006 3:57:09 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa
legislation, which is backed by the state and national AFL-CIO, also would bar union-bashing at meetings that workers are compelled to attend.

Interesting.

2 posted on 03/07/2006 4:04:51 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Raycpa
legislation would give workers "freedom in the workplace.

Beware of legislation that "gives you freedom".

3 posted on 03/07/2006 4:07:19 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Raycpa
What kind of society do we want to live in where a chaplin cannot be hired by a PRIVATE company because some people are too ignorantly and arrogantly offended by such a thing?

Just like Liberals to turn something GOOD into an offense to them!!

4 posted on 03/07/2006 4:10:26 AM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: sirchtruth

This would probably pass here in CT too. I'm disheartened for my children and grandchildren.


5 posted on 03/07/2006 4:20:30 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

It is amazing that libs apparently can't see that what they are doing is limiting freedom.


6 posted on 03/07/2006 4:27:40 AM PST by fromscratchmom
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To: Raycpa

How in the world wouldn't this be a law "prohibiting the free exercise thereof." You know, that part of the first amendment's religious guarantee that everyone ignores. If such a law passed I would love to see it go to the USSC so our new justices could establish a little precedent dealing with the entire religious freedom provisions of the Consititution.


7 posted on 03/07/2006 4:44:06 AM PST by joebuck
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To: fromscratchmom

Limiting freedom is what libs are all about. That's why they have to disguise their message.


8 posted on 03/07/2006 4:47:30 AM PST by MarxSux
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To: Raycpa
Connecticut lawmakers said they've not seen a sudden burst of religious zeal at the workplace, but are taking action before problems arise.

Think about it. This is really funny. Picture -- overwieght, expensively suited CEO, and callow, voice changing, newly minted MBA:

CEO: Snodgrass!
MBA (voice breaking): Yessir?
CEO: Get in here on the double!
MBA, tie flapping in the breeze, rushes into luxuriously appointed, birch panelled, etc office
CEO: Snodgrass, I want you to get out onto the factory floor. I want you to listen and talk to the workers. MINGLE with them, Snodgrass. Get to know them, get to know about their lives, what they're thinking, all that. Got that, Snodgrass?
MBA: Yessir! But, sir, WHY, sir?
CEO: Snodgrass, let me confide in you.
MBA: Oh, yessir! THANK you sir!
CEO: Snodgrass, I'm trusting you with an important mission here. You see, I've been hearing rumors, whispers. People are saying the men are getting -- brace yourself, Snodgrass -- the men are getting ... religion!
MBA: Oh, NO, sir! Surely NOT, sir!
CEO: So, Snodgrass, I'm asking you to go out there and RISK the purity of your atheistic little mind. I want you to DIG! to DELVE! To INQUIRE! And then report back to me. You got that Snodgrass?
MBA: Oh, yessir. And, sir?
CEO: What is it, Snodgrass?
MBA: THANK you, sir!
CEO: Hop to it, my boy! Get out there, and ferret out every trace of religion. And Snodgrass?
MBA: Yessir?
CEO: If you find any religion out there, for Christ's sake, keep it between us.
MBA: Oh, yessir!

9 posted on 03/07/2006 4:56:15 AM PST by Mad Dawg
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To: Mad Dawg

Very funny.


10 posted on 03/07/2006 5:04:39 AM PST by Raycpa
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But lawmakers in several states, concerned that chaplains will evangelize on the factory floor or open the door to political and anti-union campaigns, are considering legislation banning the practice.

These people have too much time on their hands.

11 posted on 03/07/2006 5:10:37 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Raycpa

If the unions are going to kvetch about captive audience laws then get rid of the hateful bully pulpit in the school classroom. No more political hate bush, hate america speech should be allowed in public or private schools.


12 posted on 03/07/2006 5:10:53 AM PST by i.l.e. (Tagline - this space for sale....)
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To: Raycpa

This is on a fast track for an ass kicking by the Supreme Court.


13 posted on 03/07/2006 5:29:33 AM PST by em2vn
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To: Raycpa

Liberals hate freedom and liberty. They're all a bunch of Leninists and they'd kill us all if they thought that would advanced their "progressive", socialist revolution.


14 posted on 03/07/2006 5:42:26 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Government IS the problem.)
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To: Raycpa
Lori Pelletier, secretary-treasurer of the Connecticut AFL-CIO, said Connecticut's legislation would give workers "freedom in the workplace."

Since when has the AFL-CIO ever been interested in freedom of the workplace? How about freedom from having to pay Union dues or not to join your stinking Union in closed shop states?

15 posted on 03/07/2006 6:02:03 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: RaceBannon; scoopscandal; 2Trievers; LoneGOPinCT; Rodney King; sorrisi; MrSparkys; monafelice; ...

Connecticut ping!

Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent Connecticut ping list.

16 posted on 03/07/2006 10:32:03 PM PST by nutmeg (NEVER trust democRATs with our national security)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Amen to that...if it can be given, it can be taken away...


17 posted on 03/08/2006 5:18:42 AM PST by Andonius_99 (They [liberals] aren't humans, but rather a species of hairless retarded ape.)
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