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Ban on wire transfers by illegals proposed
WorldNetDaily ^ | 03/06/2006 | James Lambert

Posted on 03/06/2006 1:12:39 PM PST by Impeach98

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INVASION USA

Ban on wire transfers by illegals proposed
Supporters believe it will remove major incentive for crossing border

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Posted: March 6, 2006 2:32 p.m. Eastern

James L. Lambert © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

A Republican candidate for a vacated congressional seat in southern California is proposing a ban on wire transfers by illegal aliens from the U.S. to Mexico.

The plan "will remove a major incentive for illegal immigration and increase national security," said Howard Kaloogian, a well-known California activist who launched the effort to recall Gov. Gray Davis.

Kaloogian is the front-runner for the San Diego-area congressional seat held by Republican Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, who was sentenced last week to eight years in prison on corruption charges.


Howard Kaloogian

"[T]he Mexican government is making billions of dollars every year from illegal aliens who enter the U.S. illegally and then wire that money back to their families in Mexico," Kaloogian said Saturday at a news conference at the border.

The economy, he contended, bears the cost of illegal aliens, who pay no taxes but receive taxpayer-funded services.

"It's absurd that we continue to allow those who have broken the law by entering this nation illegally to then enjoy the benefit of collecting wages illegally and then sending those funds to a foreign nation," Kaloogian said.


Howard Kaloogian at the Mexican border Saturday.

The proposal, if adopted by Congress, would require anyone wiring money to Mexico to provide identification to financial institutions or wire-transfer operators to prove citizenship.

An estimated $15 to $20 billion is moved annually from the U.S. to Mexico through private-party wire transfers. Howard Kaloogian at Mexican border Saturday

Kaloogian said past legislative proposals involving transfers by illegal aliens merely have imposed an extra fee.

The new proposal, he argued, "will establish leverage with foreign leaders such as Mexico's Vicente Fox who has sent a wink and a nod to their citizens to enter the United States illegally, collect wages that ad up to 10 times those paid in Mexico and then send those funds back to Mexico."

Claudia Garcia de Spencer, spokeswoman for the San Diego chapter of the Minutemen volunteer border patrol, spoke at the news conference in support of the proposal.

"Four and a half years after 9-11, our federal and state officials still refuse to confront threats allowing our borders to be breached thousands of times each day by foreigners," she said. "As a new citizen who followed the procedures and obeyed the rules, this (illegal immigration) is a shocking affront to me and is a slap in the face to all loyal Americans."

Kaloogian was a California state assemblyman from 1994 to 2000. He helped launch the pro-troops organization Move America Forward. His candidacy has received a variety of endorsements, including support from Focus on the Family founder James Dobson and former presidential candidate Steve Forbes, publisher of Forbes magazine.

A special election for Cunningham's congressional seat is scheduled April 11. If no candidate receives a 50 percent majority, run-off will take place between the expected Democrat candidate Carolyn [sic] Busby and the top Republican vote-getter.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; borderpatrol; california; cambios; congress; cunningham; feelgoodproposal; immigrantlist; immigration; kaloogian; mexico; minuteman; minutemen; republicrat; sandiego; transfer; wire
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To: RWGuy; Little Ray

Looks like RWGuy and I had the same point about cashing a check! Great minds think alike :)


61 posted on 03/06/2006 1:42:29 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Little Ray

"Or are we going to ASSUME the transfer is illegal until you produce your Birth Certificate, Passport, etc.?
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That's easy. Just say, "Ausweiss bitte!" to anyone with dark skin who tries to transfer money. You can ignore all the others, you see, since only dark-skinned people could be illegals.

And it's all legal, because it's not the cops demanding your papers, you see. You get the bank teller to do it, and it's not a police state.

/bitter irony


62 posted on 03/06/2006 1:43:04 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: untrained skeptic

You are right, they can in some cases do that. But it's like the point made by the person who said they would use PayPal, yes in some exceptions they would. But why do you think they go to the wire transfer places in the first place? Because it allows them to anonymously/quietly wire money back in a convenient way without detection by the authorities.


63 posted on 03/06/2006 1:43:55 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: MineralMan

It sounds like you are cynical towards those who are against illegal immigration?!?


64 posted on 03/06/2006 1:44:34 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98

this would just create an intermediary site for wire transfers to pass through. Say US to FRANCE to Mexico.


65 posted on 03/06/2006 1:45:42 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Mamzelle
No no, I mean that you are saying "ok, we know you are an illegal alien, but instead of deporting you or barring you from sending money to a foreign nation, we are just going to tax that wire transfer."

You are then arguing that we accept that we know they are here and we will just tax that wire.

The politicians will be lining up to secure that revenue for their favorite projects/interests.

66 posted on 03/06/2006 1:46:16 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: mlc9852
How come they don't pay taxes?

The ones that work normal jobs and aren't paid under the table do pay taxes.

The ones that get paid under the table illegally don't pay taxes.

They ones that get paid as contract workers are responsible for paying the taxes themselves, in that case the employer doesn't withhold taxes, so it's doubtful the taxes are being paid.

67 posted on 03/06/2006 1:47:42 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: finnman69

Re-read the article. No wire transfers by illegal aliens to FOREIGN NATIONS - not just Mexico. This is also to address an element of national security with money transfers by terrorists here without proper papers/expired papers.


68 posted on 03/06/2006 1:47:59 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: RWGuy

I have a driver's license, yup, but nobody ever checks it. I even have "Please ask for ID" written on my credit cards and STILL nobody checks it.
Besides, there are plenty of illegal licenses available for the illegals. Unless we go to a national ID and make it difficult to forge, a DL is useless as ID (IMHO...).


69 posted on 03/06/2006 1:48:12 PM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Impeach98

Sorry, I don't want to have to give my SSN or produce a passport in order to do a wire transfer.


70 posted on 03/06/2006 1:48:55 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Little Ray

SOME illegal aliens have false documents, but you are exaggerating a bit. MOST do not.


71 posted on 03/06/2006 1:49:54 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98
Not a lot of illegal aliens with their Wi-Fi logging on to PayPal.

There will be, if you ban wire transfers.

72 posted on 03/06/2006 1:50:01 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Impeach98
I understand your sarcasm, but again, while there is the sometimes-seen "hey, Mister, will you buy me a 6-pack of beer" there is not a major network of businesses of adults buying cigarettes and tobacco for minors.

That's because the minors with two brain cells to rub together buy ciggies and beer at a discount from people who've already stolen the stuff. With ciggies and beer, mere possession by a minor is an offense in and of itself. Possession of money by an illegal alien isn't.

You expect there to be a strong financial mob of hush hush money transfer third parties to spring up?

Yes--because this tactic is nothing new, and neither is the countermeasure. In the early 1970s, the Border Patrol staked out Western Union offices in Southern California. That tactic worked--for all of two weeks. A group of enterprising U.S. citizens started making all manner of money transfers to Mexico. We arrested one guy on an unrelated charge (he was in the recreational pharmaceuticals industry), and found that he was charging a 10% tithe--and making out like a bandit, especially compared to what he had to pay his upline for grass and smack. (Most drug dealers only make 1-2% ROI after their bosses take their cuts.)

Western Union won't be opening up a subsidiary in the Yellow Pages advertising "we'll match you up with a U.S. citizen to wire money for you and all your illegal alien friends!

They won't need to. Adam Smith's invisible hand will do the deed for them.

This will stop the folks who can't out-think a politician.

In other words, it will stop only the leftmost end of the Bell Curve.

73 posted on 03/06/2006 1:50:11 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: The Old Hoosier

You don't have to give your SSN?! You show your Drivers License/ID. I do that about 90% of the time I buy alcohol (I'm 32).


74 posted on 03/06/2006 1:50:42 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98

Ban it all we want, how could such a law even attempt to be enforced?


75 posted on 03/06/2006 1:51:33 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Impeach98
One of the reasons (among many) for this flood of immigrants is the lowering of income taxes on entry-level jobs. It's like we gave illegals a raise by lowering taxes.

As for revenue, I have a few favorite projects. We have to pay for crowded schools (can't have art classes, we need more ESL), ERs, and the biggest expense of all--incarcerating all these law-abding lawbreakers.

I am firm in the belief that it is illegal immigration which is driving down Bush's numbers--the issue is connected to people's overreaction to the Dubai ports deal.

Wait for enforcement? You can. This is something that we don't need the feds for--the states can give it a try.

76 posted on 03/06/2006 1:51:44 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Impeach98

A DL doesn't prove citizenship.


77 posted on 03/06/2006 1:51:54 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: untrained skeptic

So it goes back to the employers should be held responsible. I don't see that happening often.


78 posted on 03/06/2006 1:51:58 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
"That's because the minors with two brain cells to rub together buy ciggies and beer at a discount from people who've already stolen the stuff. With ciggies and beer, mere possession by a minor is an offense in and of itself. Possession of money by an illegal alien isn't. "

I really liked your point, but it made me realize you were making mine, well, sort of :D

Mere possession of money isn't illegal in and of itself. But LIVING HERE IS ILLEGAL. It's even more of a risk than the kid who gets a slap on the wrist for trying to buy the beer when they're 16 years old.

79 posted on 03/06/2006 1:52:32 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Little Ray
"How the heck do you prove the transferee is an illegal?"

I have a problem with the burden of proof required here. I would wager that the majority of legitimate transfers though a service like Western Union are in cases of emergency. Who in their right mind would pay 10% or more to transfer money if it wasn't an emergency.
80 posted on 03/06/2006 1:52:50 PM PST by ndt
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