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To: kellynla

Article from last year. I believe both of these professors are in the pockets of "Big Oil":

Ethanol And Biodiesel From Crops Not Worth The Energy
ITHACA, N.Y. -- Turning plants such as corn, soybeans and sunflowers into fuel uses much more energy than the resulting ethanol or biodiesel generates, according to a new Cornell University and University of California-Berkeley study.

Pimentel and Tad W. Patzek, professor of civil and environmental engineering at Berkeley, conducted a detailed analysis of the energy input-yield ratios of producing ethanol from corn, switch grass and wood biomass as well as for producing biodiesel from soybean and sunflower plants. Their report is published in Natural Resources Research (Vol. 14:1, 65-76).

In terms of energy output compared with energy input for ethanol production, the study found that:

* corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced;
* switch grass requires 45 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced; and
* wood biomass requires 57 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced.

In terms of energy output compared with the energy input for biodiesel production, the study found that:

* soybean plants requires 27 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced, and
* sunflower plants requires 118 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced.

In assessing inputs, the researchers considered such factors as the energy used in producing the crop (including production of pesticides and fertilizer, running farm machinery and irrigating, grinding and transporting the crop) and in fermenting/distilling the ethanol from the water mix. Although additional costs are incurred, such as federal and state subsidies that are passed on to consumers and the costs associated with environmental pollution or degradation, these figures were not included in the analysis.

"The United State desperately needs a liquid fuel replacement for oil in the near future," says Pimentel, "but producing ethanol or biodiesel from plant biomass is going down the wrong road, because you use more energy to produce these fuels than you get out from the combustion of these products."

Although Pimentel advocates the use of burning biomass to produce thermal energy (to heat homes, for example), he deplores the use of biomass for liquid fuel. "The government spends more than $3 billion a year to subsidize ethanol production when it does not provide a net energy balance or gain, is not a renewable energy source or an economical fuel. Further, its production and use contribute to air, water and soil pollution and global warming," Pimentel says. He points out that the vast majority of the subsidies do not go to farmers but to large ethanol-producing corporations.

"Ethanol production in the United States does not benefit the nation's energy security, its agriculture, economy or the environment," says Pimentel. "Ethanol production requires large fossil energy input, and therefore, it is contributing to oil and natural gas imports and U.S. deficits." He says the country should instead focus its efforts on producing electrical energy from photovoltaic cells, wind power and burning biomass and producing fuel from hydrogen conversion.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/07/050705231841.htm


59 posted on 03/06/2006 12:31:50 PM PST by Trinity5
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To: Trinity5

One sentence of fact is all the rebuttal anyone need note;
Brazil produces ethanol for a buck a gallon.
Next case!


62 posted on 03/06/2006 12:35:37 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: Trinity5
I was up in Iowa a couple months ago and they were selling regular for $2.30 a gallon and E85 for $1.92 a gallon. If it cost more to produce why is it selling for less? Lamoni, Iowa to be exact, 1st town north on I35 across Missouri border.
64 posted on 03/06/2006 12:36:30 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: Trinity5

This study, widely quoted here, completely ignores the value of any other product that results from the process.

For instance, if "corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced; " suppose they're right and it takes $1.29 of corn to generate $1 worth of fuel. However, we also get, say, $0.50 worth of animal feed and $0.10 worth of carbon dioxide. In that case, we haven't lost $0.29 on the deal, we've gained $0.31.

The $ figures are purely hypothetical but the point is that these guys only counted the value of the fuel output from the ethanol generation process and nothing else.


142 posted on 03/06/2006 2:51:10 PM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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