[chuckles]

They(Brazil) sell it at the pump for HALF the cost of gasoline. And that's not E85. That's pure ethanol. In Texas at today's prices, that would be 2.20 for gas and 1.10 for ethanol. That's WITH a 40 cent a gallon tax. Let's say 10 cents for the retailer, that leaves 60 cents for ethanol delivered to the pump. < The problem is the retards we have here think ethanol comes from corn. It comes from sugar, starch, cellulose, natural gas, coal, methane, cow dung and pig poop. We could outlaw corn use all together and switch to ethanol tomorrow.

For the retards here, repeat over and over.......

Ethanol can come from coal.....

Ethanol can come from coal......

Ethanol can come from coal......

[Wasanother]

I was up in Iowa a couple months ago and they were selling regular for $2.30 a gallon and E85 for $1.92 a gallon. Not bad but with more coming to the market it would even go lower. One thing holding it back is the car manufacturers not getting their E85 compatible engines on the market fast enough.

[kellynla]

well actually you can produce ethanol from all kinds of sources like switchgrass; an acre of land can produce four times the mass of switchgrass as of corn. And switchgrass is far hardier and easier to grow than corn. The energy balance for ethanol from switchgrass is tremendously better. It doesn't require all the fertilizer, all the irrigation, all the energy intensity that corn does.

[edsheppa]

The problem is the retards we have here think ethanol comes from corn.

Not helpful. This is a question of ignorance, not intelligence. There are a lot of people like Toddsterpatriot who are smart but simply lack information.

Consider TP's question why we don't import Brazilian ethanol. It is a good one. I did not know that import duties make it prohibitive.

Folks like TP also have a visceral distaste because of the ADM association. Consequently their responses can be emotional at times. It is better to respond with information than name-calling. They'll come around.

[Boot Hill]

chuckles:   "For the retards here, repeat over and over...Ethanol can come from coal"

You propose to turn a valuable high energy substance into a lower energy substance, and to consume untold amounts of other energy in the process, and then you've got the nerve to call those who point out your error of economics and logic, "retards"? ROTFLMAO!!!