[hawkiye]

A true pragmatist would put national security over winning the WOT

[Pukin Dog]

A true pragmatist would put national security over winning the WOT

So, that means you think those are separate things, do you? OMG.

[pollyannaish]

I respect your opinion, but I disagree with your assumption that not closing the border or the Ports Deal (I'm not clear which one or both you are referring to) puts the country at grave risk, and am not going to change it. In fact, to be honest, I think the Ports Deal and some portions of the Presidents immigration reform proposal actually HELP us with national security.

In any case, I have no desire to muck up Pukin Dog's thread with this tired old argument since it has been driven into the ground elsewhere. We all know there are strong disagreements, and for the most part, where each of us stands. Lets just agree to disagree and call it a day.

I don't think you are a bad conservative, I just think you're wrong. I hope that sentiment goes both ways.