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Mexico blasts bills to tax money illegal immigrants wire home
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 3/5/2006 | Greg Brosnan

Posted on 03/05/2006 12:15:18 PM PST by bkwells

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To: Hardastarboard
They can mail cash, and risk it getting stolen.

Oh, boo hoo. My illegal earning got stolen. Are there no honest men left in this sad world?

Know anyone who has to file a claim on his own insurance because he was hit by an uninsured alien?

61 posted on 03/05/2006 2:26:41 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: bkwells

Capital idea.

Why should they be allowed to be tax cheats, in addition to illegal aliens.


62 posted on 03/05/2006 2:27:00 PM PST by Search4Truth (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Mamzelle

A kid two blocks from me lost a perfectly good Fox Mustang, with many modifications, due to an illegal hitting him and having no insurance.


63 posted on 03/05/2006 2:27:51 PM PST by Hardastarboard (HEY - Billy Joe! You ARE an American Idiot!)
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To: bkwells

I support this bill.
I pay my taxes, I carry medical insurance, I pay my premiums and bills, and I do not use Medicare or Medicaid.
Illegals do indeed milk the system. It is more than fair to tax their wire transfers to diffray the costs they rack up. Hell, it is only the slightest start towards rational policy.
That Mexico protests essentially proves it is a damned good idea.


64 posted on 03/05/2006 2:30:26 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: brytlea
"It taxes people who send money out of the country."

Not everyone who sends money out of the country is an illegal alien, as a matter of fact, the vast and overwhelming majority of monies wired out of the country are in the course of business transactions, my business buys from overseas...why should I pay more taxes than I already do on those transactions?

"And, where is your proof it won't do any good?"

Let's see...so they either send a little less money out, or they pay a little more to get it out. The better question is, why back something that will negatively impact a vast majority of law-abiding citizens just to minimally annoy illegal aliens?

By the way...what power does the State government have to force the citizen running the local Western Union place into the role of immigration official by demanding that he or she make an on-the-spot determination on the legal status of the person asking to purchase their service?

65 posted on 03/05/2006 2:31:31 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
pardon me, but it appears you missed a critical component of the proposed legislature:

Sponsored by Republican lawmakers who charge that illegal immigrants use basic health and education services without contributing to them, the bill would force anyone unable to prove their legal status to pay tax on their wire transfers.

not everyone would be taxed: ONLY those "unable to prove their legal status"

why would you protest this?

66 posted on 03/05/2006 2:35:36 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

WU will certainly be the first to squawk--they make a killing exploiting illegals.


67 posted on 03/05/2006 2:36:18 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Luis Gonzalez
overwhelming majority of monies wired out of the country are in the course of business transactions, my business buys from overseas

I can't speak to the measure in the GA legislature, but the bill in Arizona exempts business to business transactions.

Proponents here admit that individual transactions could affect both legal and illegal aliens.

It would not affect citizens.

68 posted on 03/05/2006 2:45:59 PM PST by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
what power does the State government have to force the citizen running the local Western Union place into the role of immigration official

I dunno...what authority does the Federal government have to force the citizen running a gun store into the role of policeman by making him (or her) check my criminal background before engaging in his commerce?

69 posted on 03/05/2006 2:48:29 PM PST by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: bkwells

Anything that makes Mexico screech is on the right track.

Just like anything that made the former Soviet Union screech was on the right track.

Twist the clamps a bit harder.. I want to hear them howl.


70 posted on 03/05/2006 2:51:16 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: sully777

Vaya la arena de la libra.....


71 posted on 03/05/2006 2:59:09 PM PST by Osage Orange (Credere et Peristere)
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To: bkwells

Sponsored by Republican lawmakers who charge that illegal immigrants use basic health and education services without contributing to them, the bill would force anyone unable to prove their legal status to pay tax on their wire transfers.
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This is stupid. Why not attack the socialism at its roots, it causes much more problems than simply illegals using services.

http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm


72 posted on 03/05/2006 3:08:06 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/israel_palestine_conflict.htm)
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To: Mamzelle

oh, yes... quite a few people, actually.
on this issue, at least, we seem to see eye to eye


73 posted on 03/05/2006 3:08:46 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: bkwells
Does Mexico tax the money illegals send back home?
74 posted on 03/05/2006 3:11:59 PM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Mike Darancette

That's a good question...we know that the service providers - Western Union, Wells Fargo, and Bank of America - charge fees for the transfers.

I've not seen anything regarding taxes/tariffs at the receiving end.


75 posted on 03/05/2006 3:31:39 PM PST by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: bkwells

Communist Goals (1963)
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen: [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one, or both, of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture -- education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etcetera.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit, and eventually dismantle, the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.


76 posted on 03/05/2006 3:32:45 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; King Prout; HiJinx

Seems a couple of other Freepers answered your post, so I don't have to.
susie


77 posted on 03/05/2006 3:35:25 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: HiJinx

Two wrongs make a right?


78 posted on 03/05/2006 3:46:06 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: HiJinx

Who determines the difference between a citizen, a legal alien, and an illegal alien at the time and point of transaction, and how?


79 posted on 03/05/2006 3:48:02 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: King Prout
"...the bill would force anyone unable to prove their legal status to pay tax on their wire transfers."

What law is out there that requires me to carry proper identification so that I can provide proof on demand to my immigration status?

And what would document would establish my legal immigration status, or yours for that matter, that we are required to carry with us at all times?

80 posted on 03/05/2006 3:51:32 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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