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Kadima's expulsion plan unmasked Olmert says Road Map dead, Israel must retreat
www.jnewswire.com ^ | March 5th, 2006 | Ryan Jones

Posted on 03/05/2006 5:55:32 AM PST by Esther Ruth

Kadima's expulsion plan unmasked Olmert says Road Map dead, Israel must retreat

By Ryan Jones

March 5th, 2006

Israeli acting-Prime Minister Ehud Olmert sees Hamas' recent take over of the Palestinian Authority as the final nail in the coffin of the United States-backed Road Map peace plan, and believes as a result Israel must run for the hills (or in its case, for the indefensible coastal plain).

If, as current polls predict, Olmert is installed as Israel's official leader following this month's general election, he will immediately seek international (American) backing for a sweeping unilateral withdrawal from Judea and Samaria that will dwarf the one carried out by his predecessor, Ariel Sharon, in northern Samaria and the Gaza Strip.

As detailed by top Kadima candidate Avi Dichter to an Israeli audience Saturday evening, Olmert's "disengagement" will see 90 percent of all Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria reduced to rubble and their populations - numbering somewhere in the neighborhood of 90,000 persons - relocated to "Israel proper."

A large portion of the 5,000 Jews expelled from Gaza and northern Samaria last year continue to live devoid of permanent housing and steady employment. With that disengagement now a distant memory, the refugees' plight has been largely forgotten by the majority of their countrymen.

But the resulting trauma to a few uprooted "settlers" is as unlikely to deter Washington as it has Olmert and his circle.

According to top US political commentators, the Bush Administration is altering its thinking regarding the Israeli-Arab conflict, and is expected to put its full weight behind a large-scale Israeli withdrawal as a means of somehow correcting the mistake of backing unrestricted elections in the PA - which opened the door for Hamas' landslide victory.

In return for the pullout, senior political sources told Ha'aretz Jerusalem will ask Washington to officially recognize the retreat lines as Israel's new permanent borders, irreversibly severing key areas of the Jews' biblical homeland from the modern State of Israel.

Some of the more recognizable communities slated for removal include:

Shiloh - home to the Ark of the Covenant for over 400 years and de facto capital of Israel during the time of the Judges (Judges 18; I Samuel 4) Elon Moreh - site where God met with Abraham to show him the land his descendents would inherit (Genesis 12:6-7) Tekoa - home to the Prophet Amos (Amos 1:1) Maon - home of David's wife Abigail (I Samuel 25)


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: expulsion; israel; kadima; olmert; roadmap
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To: Bookmaestro

thought so


21 posted on 03/05/2006 10:40:25 AM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Cicero

well said.


22 posted on 03/05/2006 11:39:55 AM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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To: JimRed

Judea and Jew are derived from the same tribal name of Judah.


23 posted on 03/05/2006 11:50:56 AM PST by agrace
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To: ladyL

True, but Israelites today do not identify with their tribe. They are all Jews now.


24 posted on 03/05/2006 12:23:43 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Cicero; ladyL

Agreed, there are probably decendents of all the tribes in modern Israel right now since a few did return to Judah before the Assyrian exile. And definitely those tribes who always were part of the house of Judah - Benjamites, Levites and Jews...in fact they've found a "cohen gene" to help identify the priestly tribe - very cool stuff testifying to an awesome God.

Regarding the whole of the house of Israel, God knows who they are (Amos 9:9) and they'll be regathered in the future (the book of Hosea is all about His then and future relationship with the house of Israel), but He promised to "save the tents of Judah first" (Zechariah 12:7) which is what is happening now, and someday the two houses will be regathered from all over the earth and rejoined (Ezekiel 37).


25 posted on 03/05/2006 12:58:47 PM PST by agrace
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To: agrace

Just so. The business about the Cohens is very interesting. There's a Cohen web site devoted to it.

"Israel" was the the name God gave to Jacob. So the Land of Israel means the Land of Jacob and his descendants. Jacob's twelve sons became the progenitors of the twelve tribes of Israel, which means tribes of Jacob, or descended from Jacob.

Occasionally God gave the Patriarchs and others new names, to mark His covenant with them. Abram > Abraham, Sarai > Sarah, Jacob > Israel.


26 posted on 03/05/2006 1:50:12 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: agrace

There is a very curious scripture in the NT where Jesus says, "I came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel." I have never been able to figure that one out completely.


27 posted on 03/05/2006 6:52:19 PM PST by ladyL
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To: ladyL

You have freepmail. :)


28 posted on 03/05/2006 7:24:01 PM PST by agrace
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To: sgtbono2002

Roadmap to extermination.

Appeasment is appeasment no matter how you package it.


29 posted on 03/05/2006 8:08:40 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: tomahawk
I have never seen a nation commit suicide in my lifetime. Now, I'm seeing it.

Land for Peace has never worked..

National Suicide, indeed..

I am constantly amazed at the proclivity for appeasement in Israel..
Especially considering it's only been 50 years since Israelis had to fight for their very existence..

It seems Israel's very survival is at stake, and it will take a miracle to insure it..

30 posted on 03/05/2006 11:04:37 PM PST by Drammach (In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king..)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
...Olmert's "disengagement" will see 90 percent of all Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria reduced to rubble and their populations - numbering somewhere in the neighborhood of 90,000 persons - relocated to "Israel proper."

Is there a better (worse!) image of the Land made desolate without inhabitant? And by what? Hitnatkut, in order to set-up an abomination of a Pali state where it ought not stand, in the Holy Land!
31 posted on 03/05/2006 11:06:53 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: Esther Ruth; Zionist Conspirator; Thinkin' Gal; tomahawk

If this is true (and given Olmert's actions recently, I've got few doubts that it is), then this is an unbelievable outrage.

First off, it is national suicide. Everyone has GOT to know that if getting control over a few square miles in Gaza has made the Pallies so crazy for Jerusalem, then actually giving up the Biblical heartland of Israel and parts of Jerusalem will make them positively certifiable. The Arabs will know that Israel is on the run, just as was the case with the Crusaders before they got tossed out. It not only won't make peace more likely, it'll make the opposite occur.

Second, it is incredible that a Jew could give up Jewish land, especially given the actions and words of the Arabs over the past 100+ years. Olmert's actions and words (again, if and only if this report is true) would identify him spiritually with the Erev Rav. For those who don't know, the Erev Rav is the "mixed multitude" brought out of Egypt at the time of the Exodus by Moses, but these were false converts to Judaism with an ulterior motive - to sabotage the Jews and G-d's plans for them. Jewish lore indicates that the Erev Rav have (in a spiritual sense) members present in every generation, but that the final generation will have the souls of all of those who were at Mt. Sinai - Jews and Erev Rav alike. And the Erev Rav, knowing that the Moshiach is about to come, will do everything that they can to stop the Redemption and the Moschiach. Giving away pieces of Israel, placing Israel and its Jewish inhabitants at risk of death and destruction, falls right into this plan.

This is clearly a test for Israel's people - and electing Olmert would amount to a massive failure of that test.


32 posted on 03/06/2006 11:25:55 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr
Second, it is incredible that a Jew could give up Jewish land

I do suspect that anything is possible (cf any king in the Tanakh who "did evil in the sight of the L-rd"), however...

One who would do such a thing is certainly not a Jew inwardly. Such a corrupt heart would be spiritually of the Erev Rav, ancestry notwithstanding. Which brings up a related issue...

Who exactly are these "Jews" who are performing the expulsions? These soldiers... are they corrupt Jews "just following orders", or are they from (or descended from) the modern mixed multitude who are not Jewish in belief or custom, but made aliyah under the "one Jewish grandparent" definition? My intent is not to malign any of such persons who truly love Israel and are content to live in a Jewish state. I do wonder, though, how many citizens came to Israel strictly for economic benefit, without any sense of love or dedication to the Land. If a better "deal" appears to come along, the Land (to them) would be nothing more than a bargaining chip.

I'll joke around with my children and say, "I wouldn't trade you for [insert something I love, say all the chocolate in the world]". Of course they know that, but to up the stakes a bit, I might say, "I wouldn't trade you for a trillion dollars". The other day I got a laugh from my daughter when I said, "If keeping you meant I could never log onto the Internet or use a computer ever again, you know I'd choose you. No contest, I don't even have to think about it". :-)

It just seems to me that bargaining away the Land of Israel is akin to trading away one's own children. And for that matter, selling off pieces of one's own ancestors... those who toiled to make the land bloom, or those who were only able to dream about returning to their beloved homeland.

33 posted on 03/06/2006 12:20:00 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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