Posted on 03/04/2006 8:29:25 PM PST by FFforFreedom
No, I think he's either a very naive FBI agent or some dumbass at State.
Echo Talon sez: exactly, and inflaming and inciting them will do us no favors, also discouraging and humiliating our allies in the region also isn't helpful toward our objectives.
Inflaming and inciting? For f*ck's sake, they're already 'imflamed and incited'! What more do you want?
Objectives? Who's objectives?
That's my take on what I've seen on this thread and it's based on my conversations with some serious dumbasses in our government who sound just like you Echo.
And you're right, it is a death cult.
America and the West are doomed to failure in this war unless they stand up and identify the real enemy. Islam.
The West will not stand up as long as our own President continues to consider Islam a NOBLE religion.
This is America, not imperial Rome. We are all responsible for protecting ourselves, and each other. Some people just do it full time. I was once one of those, O-2 full time, 0-3 as part time but still professional.
Unless you want to fight EVERY MUSLIM, maybe you should try and help eradicate who were are at war with.
In the case of the UAE thy have changed "some" to a great deal since 9/11 yes not as much as we would like, but change for the better no doubt, to discount thier strides forward to me would send the wrong message.
Although I do want America to be energy independant and off the tit of ME oil, I don't think that is going to stop terrorism.
No way! You have it all wrong. Islaaaaaaam is a religion of peace!!! It is the Joooooooooozzzzzzzzzz that need to be eliminated!!!
(sarcasm)
"Political correctness is the shackles around our ankles by which Islamists are leading us to our demise."
Well she nailed it right on the head! Yet we still have a bunch of mind numbed robots spouting the party line like a mantra and even arguing that the UAE are our friends
Stretch: The old Geezer here
I disagree with your take on this great lady... She tells it like it is. she is right on... stop political correctness; punish those under the Sedition Act of 1917 for speaking out against our country...
As to your comments on UAE, and the ports scandal....
I am against this... BUT...BUT (I qualify this by thinking that Bush is protecting our country...AND I think that his reasoning is that: we need the UAE for the use of their airport and strategic location in the event war breaks out with Iran, and other arab countries. Therefore, I support Bush wholeheartedly....Just watch them closely..arabs are the enemy....but sometimes in war games an enemy of an enemy can become, or be used as a friend.
Stretch: The old Geezer here
I disagree with your take on this great lady... She tells it like it is. she is right on... stop political correctness; punish those under the Sedition Act of 1917 for speaking out against our country...
As to your comments on UAE, and the ports scandal....
I am against this... BUT...BUT (I qualify this by thinking that Bush is protecting our country...AND I think that his reasoning is that: we need the UAE for the use of their airport and strategic location in the event war breaks out with Iran, and other arab countries. Therefore, I support Bush wholeheartedly....Just watch them closely..arabs are the enemy....but sometimes in war games an enemy of an enemy can become, or be used as a friend.
Stretch: The old Geezer here
I disagree with your take on this great lady... She tells it like it is. she is right on... stop political correctness; punish those under the Sedition Act of 1917 for speaking out against our country...
As to your comments on UAE, and the ports scandal....
I am against this... BUT...BUT (I qualify this by thinking that Bush is protecting our country...AND I think that his reasoning is that: we need the UAE for the use of their airport and strategic location in the event war breaks out with Iran, and other arab countries. Therefore, I support Bush wholeheartedly....Just watch them closely..arabs are the enemy....but sometimes in war games an enemy of an enemy can become, or be used as a friend.
Stretch: The old Geezer here
I disagree with your take on this great lady... She tells it like it is. she is right on... stop political correctness; punish those under the Sedition Act of 1917 for speaking out against our country...
As to your comments on UAE, and the ports scandal....
I am against this... BUT...BUT (I qualify this by thinking that Bush is protecting our country...AND I think that his reasoning is that: we need the UAE for the use of their airport and strategic location in the event war breaks out with Iran, and other arab countries. Therefore, I support Bush wholeheartedly....Just watch them closely..arabs are the enemy....but sometimes in war games an enemy of an enemy can become, or be used as a friend.
Never said America's energy independence was going to stop terrorism dead in its tracks. You changed the subject matter, so I thought I'd expand the debate. America's energy independence would releave the US government from obligations we now have with Islamic nationstates in the ME. It would reduce business dealings, end certain arrangements and alter specific agreements the US govt and US businesses now have with the Islamic world. This would free the hands of US bureaucracts to take a more hardcore relationship with the Islamic world, and allow the US military to focus on killing more "jihadists" and islamofascists". America's energy independence would help to slow down the threat from terrorism and allow America to advance our other interests we have in the world today. If you don't believe what I just posted, you're out of touch with reality even more then I thought you were.
"In a matter of two sentences, you completely contradict yourself"
Oh, I agree. That is why I wrote that I was clueless and shutting up.
It is a conundrum that I cannot work out. It is obvious to me that Islam is the root problem, but it is also equally obvious to me that it is "unamerican" to make war on a religon. It is a path we cannot go down. Please, no joke, someone tell me the solution.
Even though the religion of Islam and the Islamic world are one in the same cultural entity, making the WOT difficult to prosecute at times, its not an impossible task as some make it out to be. Its in the best interests of America to fight and kill jihadists and islamofascists wherever they are. I think Americans should demand our government do nothing short of prosecuting this war to the fullest extent. The choice is clear. Either we kill them or they kill us. I find that to be an easy choice.
As I have said before, the culture is toxic. That is the essence of what she is saying. Western Civilization has been at war with this toxic culture since 700 A.D. Now is the culmination. The simple truth: the solar system isn't big enough for Western Civilization and Islam. So...
--Boris
It could go either way, if we were energy independent it could also cause "some" to think that our military in the region is no longer needed, thus allowing terrorist to go unfettered and unopposed. IF our military were to pull out, Israel would be more isolated and vulnerable than what they are today.
"Either we kill them or they kill us. I find that to be an easy choice."
Well said. It ALL essentially comes down to survival.
Unless something happens to intervene, Iran is going to be next. I don't see that we have any choice. We cannot let those people have nuclear weapons. I had a friend, of democratic persuasion, say why can we have WMD and then say they can't. My answer was simple like yours. It is in our best interests and self protection to keep stop additional nations from obtaining nuclear weapons, especially crazy ones like Iran which will most certainly use it.
There are no real shades of gray here IMO. Either the American way of life is worth preserving or it is not. I say it is, and therefore I have no problem crushing those that would threaten it. It is, however, my hope that what is in America's best interests, is also in the worlds. This may be naive, but it helps me sleep at night.
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