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To: Jim Noble
In what way are your two examples similar?

A militarized wall is a miltarized wall. Why is a miltarized Berlin wall bad, while a militarized southern border wall is good. And by miltarized, I mean with guard towers, mines, etc.etc.

Personally I wish Mexico could get it's economy jumpstarted, but building a wall only gives anti-American sectors there more fuel for their fire.

It ain't an easy problem to solve but the Berlin wall didn't solve the communists problem and a Mexican wall won't solve the US's or Mexico's.

17 posted on 03/04/2006 7:25:10 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
A militarized wall is a miltarized wall. Why is a miltarized Berlin wall bad, while a militarized southern border wall is good

Because the government of the GDR had no right to turn their territory into a socialist prison, while the people of the United States have every right to keep out hordes of third-world refugees.

Other than that, there's no difference.

23 posted on 03/04/2006 7:39:51 AM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Dane

Onw wall was to keep peoiple in. The other to keep them out.


28 posted on 03/04/2006 7:58:25 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: Dane
The militarized wall set up by East Germany was to KEEP PEOPLE IN!

Our wall would be to keep people who don't belong here OUT!

I know the difference is very subtle but I'm sure if you think about it very carefully, you'll get the point.

33 posted on 03/04/2006 8:17:16 AM PST by albee ("Those that bite the hand that feeds them will lick the boot that kicks them!" - Eric Hoffer)
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To: Dane
the Berlin wall didn't solve the communists problem and a Mexican wall won't solve the US's or Mexico's.

You clearly think in platitudes and simplicities, and fail to understand complex situations. The Berlin wall was erected to keep people in. The commies had a big problem of all their people "voting with their feet", trying to escape to the west. When all they had to do was cross a street, it was easy. When the commies built the wall, it solved that problem.

It wasn't built to make communism work. That task would work or not work depending on the nature of communism (as it happened, it failed.) But the Berlin wall served its purpose quite well. People stopped leaving East Berlin. The number of escapes became a trickle.

The southern border wall with Mexico would be built to keep Mexicans from walking across a lightly defended border, or smuggling drugs, weapons and all sorts of contraband across that border. If properly built and manned, it should work without difficulty. It won't be foolproof, and I don't doubt that people will still get across. But if we can make it dozens a night instead of thousands, that will improve the situation immensely. At the same time, we should be working on the problem of the ones who are here.

A border fence won't solve the problem of the desire for cheap labor on the part of American businesses, or the desire to leave Mexico on the part of poor campesinos, or the crappy economic system in Mexico. But it will solve the problem it is intended to solve, which is the problem of unfettered immigration into the US by people just crossing the border at will.

So, you are wrong on all counts.

37 posted on 03/04/2006 8:21:17 AM PST by Defiant (DhUmmitude: A fear of Bush spying and of offending Islamic fanatics.)
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To: Dane

The Berlin Wall was a strong attempt by a communist government to keep its citizens inside the wall. A southern border fence system will strive to keep Mexican citizens from crossing illegally into the U. S. for various illegal purposes.

You can't see the distinction? Really?


38 posted on 03/04/2006 8:24:55 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Dane
Why is a miltarized Berlin wall bad, while a militarized southern border wall is good.

The Berlin wall was primarily built to keep their people in, rather than other people out. Either wall would serve both functions.

Just because plugging the biggest leak doesn't make the boat watertight is no reason to stand there and let it sink. Bailing (rounding up and shipping illegals home) isn't cheap either, and the expense is completely open ended.

58 posted on 03/04/2006 9:32:39 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Dane
the Berlin wall didn't solve the communists problem

You are wrong here. The Berlin wall did exactly what it was erected to do, stanch the flow of refugees across the border into West Berlin. Without it, East Germany would have literally become a deserted country. After the wall, the flow was reduced to a trickle of brave heroes.

If a border wall does its job for us as well as the Berlin wall did its job for the communists, it will be a triumph in the War on Terror.

66 posted on 03/04/2006 9:58:34 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dane

How lame.

You can't come up with any substantial reasons for not building a Mexican Border wall, so you compare it to the Berlin Wall.

Other than both being Walls - they are not comparable and irrelevant to the discussion.

Using your "logic", we shouldn't have prisons because the Nazi's built prisons and we shouldn't have the US border patrol because Stalin had border guards.


72 posted on 03/04/2006 10:25:07 AM PST by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: Dane

A Mexican wall might serve the purpose of forcing the Mexican government to deal with the needs of its people. Emigration is an escape valve for a population under pressure.


99 posted on 03/04/2006 3:09:45 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Dane

Gee Dane could it be because the Berlin wall was to keep people in (bad) and a U.S. wall would be to keep invaders out (good) is that simple enough for you?


117 posted on 03/05/2006 12:23:19 PM PST by CONSERVE
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To: Dane
A militarized wall is a miltarized wall. Why is a miltarized Berlin wall bad, while a militarized southern border wall is good. And by miltarized, I mean with guard towers, mines, etc.etc.

Dane, I do realize that explaining this to you is a complete waste of time, but someone impressionable young person might fall for your nonsense the way they also fall for the babbling of liberal professors.

So, once again, the Berlin Wall kept people in their country. The wall along the Mexican border would keep people out of ours who are not supposed to be coming here.

A truly fundamental difference. Oh, and we don't have to have shoot-to-kill orders along the wall. If a few illegals still make it past the wall, it's not the end of the world and we won't need to gun them down. The point is to get illegal immigration to a level that does not overwhelm this country, and change the likelihood of failure for attempted illegal immigration from a slight possibility to a strong probability. That alone will stem the tide.

121 posted on 03/06/2006 10:03:51 AM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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