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Nelson wants to fence off Mexico
Omaha World-Herald ^ | March 4, 2006 | Henry J. Cordes

Posted on 03/04/2006 6:50:54 AM PST by Hat-Trick

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To: Hat-Trick

I like this guy Nelson. Is he good about anything else, just wondering since he is a Dem? And I didn't realize Hagel was a RINO.

"I'm not in favor of building walls" is such a wimpout Kumbaya statement it literally makes me sick to the stomach. So I suppose the house he lives in has no walls or doors, just a roof with "enter" signs all over.


21 posted on 03/04/2006 7:35:25 AM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: Hat-Trick

I'm in favor of a large, electric fence backed up by a shark infested moat. ;-)


22 posted on 03/04/2006 7:39:11 AM PST by Evie Munchkin (Democrats - Party of death and taxes)
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To: Dane
A militarized wall is a miltarized wall. Why is a miltarized Berlin wall bad, while a militarized southern border wall is good

Because the government of the GDR had no right to turn their territory into a socialist prison, while the people of the United States have every right to keep out hordes of third-world refugees.

Other than that, there's no difference.

23 posted on 03/04/2006 7:39:51 AM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: grey_whiskers; Dane

There once was a FReeper, a pain
Our borders were what she disdained
She claims to hate Hillary
While Tancrcredo she pillory
Makes me wonder if she's really McCain


24 posted on 03/04/2006 7:40:24 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: little jeremiah
Hagel, along with Lindsey Grahmn, is part of the John McCain Fan Club and is essentilly, McShame Lite.

He, along with Rep. Chris Cannon R-UT and Sen. Larry Craig R-ID, was one of the big pushers behind the AgJobs Amnesty (which fortunately died young) a couple of years ago.

25 posted on 03/04/2006 7:53:24 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: Hat-Trick
rottndog's 10 Simple solutions to the crisis of illegal immigration:

1. Immediately allocate funding for as many border patrol agents as necessary to effectively secure the borders. This would include the use of military forces to interdict Mexican army escorted drug trafficking.

2. Immediately allocate funding for a modern and effective border fence.

3. Cut off all federal funds to any state, county, and/or city that has an expressed (or even unexpressed) sanctuary policy, including police noncooperation policies such as LAPD's special order number 40.

4. Immediately sue in federal court all aforementioned entities to overturn these patently unconstitutional policies (enforce the supremacy clause).

5. Cut off all federal funds to any state, county, and/or city that refuses to verify eligibility requirements for the dispensing of federally funded or subsidized public services.

6. Start prosecuting repeat illegal border crossers and put them in prison. It is a federal felony to recross the border after deportation. Give them a warning after the first offense, but after that, off to jail. Maybe have longer sentences the more times illegals are caught in the country illegally.

7. End the "anchor baby" citizenship loophole.

8. Establish and implement a system of instant electronic checking of residency status for the purpose of employment. They have instant checking for firearms purchasing, why not for employment eligibility verification?

9. Fund random inspections of businesses by ICE officials to verify employment eligibility (legal residency). Include in this a task force to immediately respond to the use of bogus employee social security numbers.

10. Arrest and prosecute employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens. After instant checks are established, there will be no excuses.


Some of these things could be done under current law--in other words, much of the problem would go away if our current laws already on the books were ENFORCED!

And, absolutely NO guest worker/temporary worker/amnesty programs unless and until the the borders are ENFORCED!
26 posted on 03/04/2006 7:55:27 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!!)
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To: Hat-Trick

I believe that if certain areas had a protective fence it would make those areas livable such as the fence in SoCal that stopped the criminal invasion of Imperial Beach. Proving that fences have a legitimate and practical use, and be damned if the PC flakes and the Mexican chauvinists get in a hissy fit.


27 posted on 03/04/2006 7:56:01 AM PST by junta (It's Jihad stupid! Liberals, Jihadis and the Mexican elite all deserving of "preemption.")
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To: Dane

Onw wall was to keep peoiple in. The other to keep them out.


28 posted on 03/04/2006 7:58:25 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: Hat-Trick

Fabulous idea. I'd even donate money to begin the project.


29 posted on 03/04/2006 8:00:25 AM PST by Edit35
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To: yoe

"Putting up a fence will have little effect and cost the taxpayer jillions. "

Not "jillions", about $5 billion (meaning $2 million a mile, a reasonable estimate). In the entire scheme of things, this is a drop in the bucket. And what do you mean it will have "little" effect, that's just patentedly untrue.


30 posted on 03/04/2006 8:03:31 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Evie Munchkin

" a shark infested moat." Sharks with frickin' lasers on their heads!


31 posted on 03/04/2006 8:06:14 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Hat-Trick
Nelson will only push this type of thing until he's reelected. After that, he'll be free to be a Dem partisan again.

Rule of thumb, if he votes for Harry Reid for majority leader, he votes for abortion, activist judges, high taxes, big spending and US bashing in the war. He should not be allowed to get away with it.

32 posted on 03/04/2006 8:09:59 AM PST by Defiant (DhUmmitude: A fear of Bush spying and of offending Islamic fanatics.)
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To: Dane
The militarized wall set up by East Germany was to KEEP PEOPLE IN!

Our wall would be to keep people who don't belong here OUT!

I know the difference is very subtle but I'm sure if you think about it very carefully, you'll get the point.

33 posted on 03/04/2006 8:17:16 AM PST by albee ("Those that bite the hand that feeds them will lick the boot that kicks them!" - Eric Hoffer)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; Lakeshark; Darksheare; phantomworker
" a shark infested moat." Sharks with frickin' lasers on their heads!

Calling all sharks to duty!

34 posted on 03/04/2006 8:17:54 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Dane
Also instead of ignoring Mexico, try to pressure them into more economic reforms. Mexico is a nation blessed with many resources and a hard working Christian population.

Yep!

35 posted on 03/04/2006 8:21:10 AM PST by Borax Queen
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i think at the end of the day we're overlooking the true problem. most of the illegal immigrants are here because they know that ANY job, even menial labor, will pay significantly higher then no job in Mexico. it's a matter of feeding their families. these people will probably risk anythink to do that. how far would you be willing to go if your family's survival depended on it? would you chance a long stint in prison? death in the desert? at the end of the day, enough will say yes.

i dont know that i can suggest any solutions, although I'm sure a wall that is adequately manned would probably stem the flow.


36 posted on 03/04/2006 8:21:11 AM PST by buckeye2159
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To: Dane
the Berlin wall didn't solve the communists problem and a Mexican wall won't solve the US's or Mexico's.

You clearly think in platitudes and simplicities, and fail to understand complex situations. The Berlin wall was erected to keep people in. The commies had a big problem of all their people "voting with their feet", trying to escape to the west. When all they had to do was cross a street, it was easy. When the commies built the wall, it solved that problem.

It wasn't built to make communism work. That task would work or not work depending on the nature of communism (as it happened, it failed.) But the Berlin wall served its purpose quite well. People stopped leaving East Berlin. The number of escapes became a trickle.

The southern border wall with Mexico would be built to keep Mexicans from walking across a lightly defended border, or smuggling drugs, weapons and all sorts of contraband across that border. If properly built and manned, it should work without difficulty. It won't be foolproof, and I don't doubt that people will still get across. But if we can make it dozens a night instead of thousands, that will improve the situation immensely. At the same time, we should be working on the problem of the ones who are here.

A border fence won't solve the problem of the desire for cheap labor on the part of American businesses, or the desire to leave Mexico on the part of poor campesinos, or the crappy economic system in Mexico. But it will solve the problem it is intended to solve, which is the problem of unfettered immigration into the US by people just crossing the border at will.

So, you are wrong on all counts.

37 posted on 03/04/2006 8:21:17 AM PST by Defiant (DhUmmitude: A fear of Bush spying and of offending Islamic fanatics.)
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To: Dane

The Berlin Wall was a strong attempt by a communist government to keep its citizens inside the wall. A southern border fence system will strive to keep Mexican citizens from crossing illegally into the U. S. for various illegal purposes.

You can't see the distinction? Really?


38 posted on 03/04/2006 8:24:55 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: yoe

"Those who want in will simply fly over it"

We aren't trying to stop migratory birds...or have Mexicans "evolved" to be able to fly?


39 posted on 03/04/2006 8:26:10 AM PST by RouxStir (Mohammed is THE BOMB!)
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To: ncountylee

"Use captured illegal alien labor (kept in work camps) to reduce the cost."

Can you imagine the stink that would cause? There would be much wailing and rending of garments, the lefties would gnash their teeth, the U.N. would meet in emergency session, etc...


40 posted on 03/04/2006 8:27:39 AM PST by dljordan
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