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To: justshutupandtakeit; Non-Sequitur
[fakin'it] Nevertheless the Congress spoke in the name of the Nation even if ratification of a treaty reguired unanimous consent.

[Non] You mean ratification by "The United States in Congress assembled..."? Not the individual states but the United States. As per the Articles of Confederation.

Next time, in unison, please.

Yes, I do mean unanimous ratification as required per the Articles of Confederation, which state that

Article I. The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America."

Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

Article III. The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever.

While it is fun to pretend we were one country, playtime is over. It is clear that the CC was not acting on thier own in best interest of Farber's figmented newborn nation, though it's possible that Louis caught them on a day when their collective normative aura lacked it's normal secret forms of legal potency.

Lewis, by the grace of God king of France and Navarre, to all who shall see these presents, Greeting.

The Congress of the thirteen United States of North America having made known to us, by their plenipotentiaries residing at Paris, their desire to establish between us and our dominions a good understanding, and a perfect correspondence; and having for that purpose proposed to conclude with us a treaty of amity and commerce; and we having thought it our duty to give to the said states a sensible proof of our affection, by a determination to accept of their proposals: For these causes, and other good considerations us thereunto moving, we, reposing entire confidence in the abilities, experience, zeal, and fidelity for our service of our dear and beloved Conrad Alexander Gérard, royal syndic of the city of Strasburg, and secretary of our council of state, have nominated, appointed and commissioned, and by these presents signed with our hand, do nominate, appoint, and commission him our plenipotentiary, giving him power and special command for us, and in our name, to agree upon, conclude and sign with the plenipotentiaries of the United States, equally furnished in due form with full power, such treaty, convention, and articles of commerce and navigation, as he shall think proper, willing that he act with the same authority as we might or could act, if we were personally present, and even as though he had more special command than what is herein contained; promising in good faith and on the word of a king, to agree to, confirm, and establish forever, and to accomplish and execute punctually, all that our said dear and beloved Conrad Alexander Gérard shall stipulate and sign, by virtue of the present power, without contravening it in any manner, or suffering it to be contravened for any cause, or under any pretext whatsoever; and also to ratify the same in due form, and cause our ratification to be delivered and exchanged in the time that shall be agreed on. For such is our pleasure.

In testimony whereof, we have hereunto set our seal.

Done at Versailles, this thirtieth day of January, in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and seventy-eight, and the fourth year of our reign.

[L. S.] Signed, ... Louis.


859 posted on 03/23/2006 6:42:17 PM PST by Gianni
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To: Gianni
So we weren't one country but instead 13 separate ones because Louie said so? Makes about as much sense as the rest of your stuff I guess.

Now, point out where the Articles of Confederate required unanimous consent to approve treaties.

861 posted on 03/23/2006 7:19:51 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Gianni

And "binding themselves" means?

Amd being recognized as the United States by the King of Frances means?

The United States spoke with one voice AS A NATION to the rest of the world and sovereignty within their borders has never been in dispute.


867 posted on 03/23/2006 8:37:34 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Gianni
While it is fun to pretend we were one country, playtime is over. It is clear that the CC was not acting on thier own in best interest of Farber's figmented newborn nation, though it's possible that Louis caught them on a day when their collective normative aura lacked it's normal secret forms of legal potency.

ROTF! Besides FOUNDERS and Supreme Justices Paterson and Blair cited previously, there are a few more interesting decisions.

On 23 Feb 1808, Justice William Cushing of Massachusetts and the court held,

[Daniel Coxe] remained in the state of New-Jersey, not only after she [New Jersey] had declared herself a sovereign state, but after she had passed laws by which she pronounced him to be a member of, and in allegiance to the new government. The court entertains no doubt that after the 4th of October, 1776, he became a member of the new society, entitled to the protection of its government, and bound to that government by the ties of allegiance.

This opinion is predicated upon a principle which is believed to be undeniable, that the several states which composed this union, so far at least as regarded their municipal regulations became entitled, from the time when they declared themselves independent, to all the rights and powers of sovereign states, and that they did not derive them from concessions made by the British king. The treaty of peace contains a recognition of their independence, not a grant of it. From hence it results, that the laws of the several state governments were the laws of sovereign states, and as such were obligatory upon the people of such state, from the time they were enacted.
McIlvaine v. Coxe's Lessee, 8 Cranch 209, 211-212 (1808)


895 posted on 03/24/2006 2:48:45 PM PST by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito, qua tua te fortuna sinet.)
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