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To: justshutupandtakeit
You want titles? OK 15- Insufficiency of the Present Confederation to Preserve the Union/Other defects of the present confederation

Exactly. It's like someone bitching about thier ex-wife. It says nothing about wife #2. On the other hand, 39 deals specifically with the Conformity of the Plan to Republican principles as it's title indicates.

And what does 39 say? It says justshutupandtakeit should justshutupandquitfakingit.

1,322 posted on 04/19/2006 8:03:47 PM PDT by Gianni
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To: Gianni

I already told you what it says. Madison goes through an analysis of the new government and concludes that it is a mixture of national and federal qualities and hence cannot be accurately called one or the other.

He explains which features are federal (ratification procedure, Senate, retention of some internal state sovereignty, etc.) and which are national ( House, Judiciary, reach over individuals, etc.)

He explained the nature of the ratification being federal because the people did not ratify as a whole but through state conventions. States were not to be forced into the new government by a majority vote of the entire American people but by the choice of the American people within each state. Nine were sufficient to ratify because that was the number required under the Articles to pass all major actions in Congress.

I realize you will try and pretend that the federal nature of the ratification allows states to withdraw but that has no support from history and was NEVER the reason the Tenth amendment was passed in any case. The Union was always considered perpetual by ALL Founders. And the new Constitution provided plenty of authority EXPLICITLY to put down insurrections in any guise.


1,326 posted on 04/20/2006 8:54:18 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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