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To: justshutupandtakeit
That is EXACTLY what the Federalist shows in 15-22.

No time now to respond to the full nonsense, but since you've been repeating this...

and repeating this...

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Tell us, what is the title of Federalist 15-22?

How's about 39? What is that titled?

1,317 posted on 04/19/2006 11:40:03 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Gianni
I know you cannot deal with these truths and will do anything to avoid discussing them. So would I were I you considering they utterly destroy any argument claiming there was a "right" of secession.

Your inability to respond to the FACTS in my last post is also noted.

You want titles? OK 15- Insufficiency of the Present Confederation to Preserve the Union. Hamilton shows that "The great and radical vice
in the construction of the existing Confederation is in the principle of legislation for States and Governments, in their corporate or collective capacities, and as contradistinguished from the individuals of which they consist. In other words the NECESSITY to remove state sovereignty."

16- Same subject continued- Insufficiency of the present confederation to preserve the Union. Hamilton argues using the history of ancient Greece that the present system of the Articles "be styled the parent of Anarchy:"

17- Same subject continued- Insufficiency of the present confederation to preserve the Union. Hamilton argues therein that the national government will have no incentive to remove local concerns from state control and that the states can protect themselves against federal encroachment.

18- Same subject continued- the insufficiency of the present confederation to preserve the Union. Hamilton and Madison once more show the imbecility which MUST follow in a confederation based upon state sovereignty.

19- Same subject continued- the insufficiency of the present confederation to preserve the Union. Hamilton and Madison use the history of Germany, Poland and the United Provinces to show the imbecility which must follow in a confederation based upon state sovereignty.

20- Same subject continued- the insufficiency of the present confederation to preserve the Union. Hamilton and Madison use the history of the United Provinces to conclude "The important truth, which it unequivocally pronounces in the present case, is that a sovereignty over sovereigns, a government over governments, a legislation for communities, as contradistinguished from individuals, as it is a solecism in theory, so in practice it is SUBVERSIVE of the order and ends of civil polity,..."

21 Other defects of the present confederation - Hamilton addresses the next most important failure of the Confederation "The next most palpable defect of the subsisting confederation, is the total want of a sanction to its laws." He also addresses others.

22- The same subject continued- Other defects of the present confederation. Hamilton addresses the inability to regulate commerce, the interference from state regulations on the Nation, equal sufferage between the states, want of judicial power. Thus, it is apparent that the PRINCIPLE concern of Hamilton and Madison was the saving of the UNION. They concluded that was impossible as long as states could claim total sovereignty.
1,318 posted on 04/19/2006 1:22:02 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Gianni

Oh, and 39? The Conformity of the Plan to Republican principles. Madison gives the characteristics of a republican form of government -"a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure, for a limited time or during good behaviour."


1,319 posted on 04/19/2006 1:32:04 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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