To: 4CJ
You completely distort what is said in the amendment.
It does NOT say any powers were delegated by states to the federal government. It is clear from the discerning and honest that the delegation of all political power comes from the PEOPLE including that delegated to the states.
The rest of your butchery does not refute anything I said since it is all based upon the fallacy that States had ever been fully sovereign. Any sovereignty they had came ONLY as a result of the UNION which all the Founders knew and understood. It was only the half-assed Slaver "statesmen" who managed to forget this.
Our Constitution was explicitly written to underscore the necessity of UNION and to enhance and protect it. That magnificent paean to UNION, the Federalist Papers, underscores this in numerous places. "...the utility of UNION, a point, no doubt, deeply engraved on the hearts of the great body of the people of every State, and one, which it may be imagined, has no adversaries." FP-1
"It is well worthy of consideration therefore, whether it would conduce more to the interest of the people of America that they should, to all general purposes, be one nation, under ONE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, or that they should divide themselves into separate confederacies... " FP 2 Jay has NO doubt about the answer as he continues "It has until lately been a received and UNCONTRADICTED opinion that the prosperity of the people of America depended on their continuing firmly united, and the wishes, prayers, and efforts of our best and wisest citizens have been constantly directed to THAT OBJECT." "...Providence has been pleased to give this ONE connected country to ONE UNITED PEOPLE....This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren, UNITED to each other by the strongest of ties, SHOULD NEVER BE SPLIT INTO A NUMBER OF UNSOCIAL, JEALOUS, AND ALIEN SOVEREIGNTIES....As a NATION we have vanquished our common enemies; as a NATION we have formed alliances, and made treaties, and entered into various compacts and conventions with foreign states....A strong sense of the value and blessings of UNION induced the PEOPLE, at a very early period to institute a federal government to preserve and perpetuate it....[the failure of that government did not dissuade the PEOPLE from UNION but this ]"intelligent PEOPLE perceived and regretted these defects. Still continuing no less attached to UNION than enamored of liberty...observed the danger which immediately threatened the former and more remotely the latter; and being persuaded that ample security for both could ONLY be found in a NATIONAL GOVERNMENT more wisely framed..." [by removing MORE sovereignty from the states]
Jay also reminds his reader "It is worthy of remark that not only the first, but EVERY succeeding Congress, as well as the late convention, have INVARIABLY joined with the PEOPLE in thinking that the prosperity of AMERICA depended on its UNION. To preserve and perpetuate it was THE GREAT OBJECT of the PEOPLE in forming that convention, and it is also the great object of the plan which the convention has advised them to adopt." His final words in FR 2 should have been remembered by the Traitors of 1860 "...whenever the dissolution of the Union arrives, AMERICA will have reason to exclaim, in the words of the poet 'FAREWELL! A LONG FAREWELL TO ALL MY GREATNESS.'"
Thanks to the incredible leadership of Abe Lincoln that greatness was not allowed to be destroyed and the Traitorous scum leading the RAT Rebellion were defeated leading to the rise of the greatest Nation in the history of the world.
1,201 posted on
04/06/2006 12:15:41 PM PDT by
justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I said since it is all based upon the fallacy that States had ever been fully sovereign. You have a severely distorted opinion that you have yet to back up by facts (those things other than your opinion).
5 STATES seceded prior to 4 Jul 1776. New York not until August 1776. It was not a unilateral action. States ratified SEPARATELY. It is only the bizarro world moonbats who continue to overlook this.
The Federalist Papers were written by Hamilton, Jay and Madison in an attempt to coax New York to ratify [NOTE: NO other people, other than New Yorkers, could ratify for the state of New York]. Even then, the FP are NOT the Constitution, or any part of it.
Thanks to the incredible leadership of Abe Lincoln that greatness was not allowed to be destroyed and the Traitorous scum leading the RAT Rebellion were defeated leading to the rise of the greatest Nation in the history of the world.
Abe Lincoln wanted to have a LILY-WHITE AMERICA - as proven repeatedly by his own words. The secession of any state did not destroy the union - that union, led by Lincoln, continued to exist, and waged war illegally on the seceded states.
The secession of the states from the New England Confederacy was legal. The secession of the states from Britain was legal. The secession of the states from the Articles of Confederation & Perpetual Union was legal. The secession of the states from the Constitution was legal.
1,204 posted on
04/06/2006 3:50:48 PM PDT by
4CJ
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